Sources
Sources
201. “ “Einwohnermeldekart = Resident's Registration Card for Julius Hess”-a resident’s registration card from the Fulda Archives and translated by Ute.”
Files (2): Fulda_package11-16_HESS-Julius, Pkg11_img016
Files (2): Fulda_package11-16_HESS-Julius, Pkg11_img016
202. “Birth Certificate Julius Hess.”
Files (2): Pkg11_img017, Fulda_package11-17_Birth_1914_no369_HESS-Julius
Files (2): Pkg11_img017, Fulda_package11-17_Birth_1914_no369_HESS-Julius
203. “Discussion with Sharon Schwabe at Angela Staffone’s Bat Mitzvah,” 10 June 2006, P. A. Dreifuss, Fred and Ann Abeles home.
Sharon provided some new information and some corrections, like spelling of Schwabe. Her husband Doni is also her first cousin.
Sharon provided some new information and some corrections, like spelling of Schwabe. Her husband Doni is also her first cousin.
204. Horst Kemple, “Hess Family,” 12 Mar 2024.
Hello Pete,
I found Heinemann's birth (24.Feb.1874), but I have no information about his death.
I noticed in the family tree on your website that Bernhard (born July 16, 1879) is listed as the
son of Benedikt, but he is the son of Josef, see the registry office entry.
If I find something new in the archives, I'll send it to you. I would be interested in photos of
Benedikts family and their live in Fulda, if you have some other than those on your website.
Best regards
Horst
Hello Pete,
I found Heinemann's birth (24.Feb.1874), but I have no information about his death.
I noticed in the family tree on your website that Bernhard (born July 16, 1879) is listed as the
son of Benedikt, but he is the son of Josef, see the registry office entry.
If I find something new in the archives, I'll send it to you. I would be interested in photos of
Benedikts family and their live in Fulda, if you have some other than those on your website.
Best regards
Horst
205. Horst Kemple.
email and attachments from Horst Kep. Note: I sent the document to Ute for translation and to make sure the Heinemann date was correct- it was not.*** The correct birth date is 24 Apr 1874.
His email said:
Hello Pete,
I found Heinemann's birth (24.Feb.1874***), but I have no information about his death.
I noticed in the family tree on your website that Bernhard (born July 16, 1879) is listed as the
son of Benedikt, but he is the son of Josef, see the registry office entry.
If I find something new in the archives, I'll send it to you. I would be interested in photos of
Benedikts family and their live in Fulda, if you have some other than those on your website.
Best regards
Horst
Files (2): Bernhard Geburt, Prot.II Hintersteinau Nr.10 Blatt28 Geburt Heinemann Hess
email and attachments from Horst Kep. Note: I sent the document to Ute for translation and to make sure the Heinemann date was correct- it was not.*** The correct birth date is 24 Apr 1874.
His email said:
Hello Pete,
I found Heinemann's birth (24.Feb.1874***), but I have no information about his death.
I noticed in the family tree on your website that Bernhard (born July 16, 1879) is listed as the
son of Benedikt, but he is the son of Josef, see the registry office entry.
If I find something new in the archives, I'll send it to you. I would be interested in photos of
Benedikts family and their live in Fulda, if you have some other than those on your website.
Best regards
Horst
Files (2): Bernhard Geburt, Prot.II Hintersteinau Nr.10 Blatt28 Geburt Heinemann Hess
206. Yad Vashem.
Information on Recha’s maiden name and birth came from The Central Database of Shoah Victims' Names
Her first name came from the letter written on the Post card with the photograph of the Shoe Shop.
Recha Hess nee Wollsheimer was born in 1876. Prior to WWII she lived in Gelsenkirchen, Germany. Recha perished in Riga, Latvia. This information is based on a List of victims from Germany found in the Gedenkbuch - Opfer der Verfolgung der Juden unter der nationalsozialistischen Gewaltherrschaft in Deutschland 1933-1945, Bundesarchiv (German National Archives), Koblenz 1986.
Information on Recha’s maiden name and birth came from The Central Database of Shoah Victims' Names
Her first name came from the letter written on the Post card with the photograph of the Shoe Shop.
Recha Hess nee Wollsheimer was born in 1876. Prior to WWII she lived in Gelsenkirchen, Germany. Recha perished in Riga, Latvia. This information is based on a List of victims from Germany found in the Gedenkbuch - Opfer der Verfolgung der Juden unter der nationalsozialistischen Gewaltherrschaft in Deutschland 1933-1945, Bundesarchiv (German National Archives), Koblenz 1986.
207. Jewishgen Westphalian Jews Records.
HESS
Naphtali 14.07.1875
Gelsenkirchen
Deported 27.01.1942
HESS WOLLSHEIMER Recha 07.09.1876
Gelsenkirchen
Deported 27.01.1942
HESS
Naphtali 14.07.1875
Gelsenkirchen
Deported 27.01.1942
HESS WOLLSHEIMER Recha 07.09.1876
Gelsenkirchen
Deported 27.01.1942
208. Pete Dreifuss to Jeff Dreifuss.
Jeff-
Steffen must have left these translations with me when he finished up (I was in Alabama then). Anyway I just now saw them show up as we are slowly getting back to normal around here (well not really).
Anyway some big news- Steffen painstakingly deciphered and translated the old German Postcard. He has done the original German and the translation.
Lettering on the picture states:
Shoe House
In-house repairs
Some Advertising posters
Naftalie Hess (Small lettering on the window!!)
Of Course Naftali is there if you blow it up-see attached.
On the other side:
Address:
Ms. Karolina(?) Hess
64 1/2 Rush Rd.
Brooklyn, NY - Amerika
Dear Sister-in-Law(?) (Jeff-German word here, "Schwagerin" might be diminutive Yiddish of German Yiddish for "Sister".)
We received your dear letter and we thank you for it. We hope that you had good holidays. We send you the view of our store front (?) as seen from the outside. .....(?) who holds Ludwig on her hand is your new sister in law (?) Greetings Recha (?)
(New Handwriting)
Greetings and kisses from your brother. Muhlinum (?) is ...(?)...(?)Naftalie in Frankfurt.
Jeff- I think this is from Naftali- Grandma's brother. Recha might have been his new wife (not in our records). I've no guesses about who Muhlinum is/was.
Jeff- I have more but will send later.
Pete
Jeff-
Steffen must have left these translations with me when he finished up (I was in Alabama then). Anyway I just now saw them show up as we are slowly getting back to normal around here (well not really).
Anyway some big news- Steffen painstakingly deciphered and translated the old German Postcard. He has done the original German and the translation.
Lettering on the picture states:
Shoe House
In-house repairs
Some Advertising posters
Naftalie Hess (Small lettering on the window!!)
Of Course Naftali is there if you blow it up-see attached.
On the other side:
Address:
Ms. Karolina(?) Hess
64 1/2 Rush Rd.
Brooklyn, NY - Amerika
Dear Sister-in-Law(?) (Jeff-German word here, "Schwagerin" might be diminutive Yiddish of German Yiddish for "Sister".)
We received your dear letter and we thank you for it. We hope that you had good holidays. We send you the view of our store front (?) as seen from the outside. .....(?) who holds Ludwig on her hand is your new sister in law (?) Greetings Recha (?)
(New Handwriting)
Greetings and kisses from your brother. Muhlinum (?) is ...(?)...(?)Naftalie in Frankfurt.
Jeff- I think this is from Naftali- Grandma's brother. Recha might have been his new wife (not in our records). I've no guesses about who Muhlinum is/was.
Jeff- I have more but will send later.
Pete
209. “Naphtali Hess- in the Hesse, Germany, Marriages, 1849-1930.”
Naphtali Hess
in the Hesse, Germany, Marriages, 1849-1930
Name:
Naphtali Hess
Gender:
männlich (Male)
Age:
33
Birth Date:
14 Jul 1875
Marriage Date:
25 Mrz 1909 (25 Mar 1909)
Marriage Place:
Frankfurt am Main, Hessen (Hesse), Deutschland (Germany)
Civil Registration Office:
Frankfurt am Main
Father:
Berndict Hess
Mother:
Bettÿ Hess
Spouse:
Recha Wolfsheimer
Certificate Number:
177
Naphtali Hess
in the Hesse, Germany, Marriages, 1849-1930
Name:
Naphtali Hess
Gender:
männlich (Male)
Age:
33
Birth Date:
14 Jul 1875
Marriage Date:
25 Mrz 1909 (25 Mar 1909)
Marriage Place:
Frankfurt am Main, Hessen (Hesse), Deutschland (Germany)
Civil Registration Office:
Frankfurt am Main
Father:
Berndict Hess
Mother:
Bettÿ Hess
Spouse:
Recha Wolfsheimer
Certificate Number:
177
210. “Recha Wolfsheimer- in the Hesse, Germany, Marriages, 1849-1930.”
Recha Wolfsheimer
in the Hesse, Germany, Marriages, 1849-1930
Name:
Recha Wolfsheimer
Gender:
weiblich (Female)
Age:
32
Birth Date:
7 Sep 1876
Marriage Date:
25 Mrz 1909 (25 Mar 1909)
Marriage Place:
Frankfurt am Main, Hessen (Hesse), Deutschland (Germany)
Civil Registration Office:
Frankfurt am Main
Father:
Emanuel Wolfsheimer
Mother:
Frtte Wolfsheimer
Spouse:
Naphtali Hess
Certificate Number:
177
Recha Wolfsheimer
in the Hesse, Germany, Marriages, 1849-1930
Name:
Recha Wolfsheimer
Gender:
weiblich (Female)
Age:
32
Birth Date:
7 Sep 1876
Marriage Date:
25 Mrz 1909 (25 Mar 1909)
Marriage Place:
Frankfurt am Main, Hessen (Hesse), Deutschland (Germany)
Civil Registration Office:
Frankfurt am Main
Father:
Emanuel Wolfsheimer
Mother:
Frtte Wolfsheimer
Spouse:
Naphtali Hess
Certificate Number:
177
211. “Recha Wolfsheimer- in the Hesse, Germany, Births, 1851-1901-.”
Recha Wolfsheimer
in the Hesse, Germany, Births, 1851-1901
Name:
Recha Wolfsheimer
Gender:
weiblich (Female)
Birth Date:
7 Sep 1876
Birth Place:
Hessen (Hesse), Deutschland (Germany)
Civil Registration Office:
Frankfurt a.M., Stadtteile
Father:
Emanuel Wolfsheimer
Mother:
Jette Wolfsheimer
Certificate Number:
2332
Recha Wolfsheimer
in the Hesse, Germany, Births, 1851-1901
Name:
Recha Wolfsheimer
Gender:
weiblich (Female)
Birth Date:
7 Sep 1876
Birth Place:
Hessen (Hesse), Deutschland (Germany)
Civil Registration Office:
Frankfurt a.M., Stadtteile
Father:
Emanuel Wolfsheimer
Mother:
Jette Wolfsheimer
Certificate Number:
2332
212. Elizabeth Ida Posva, “my family hess wild,” April 24, 2009, Brazil.
A series of important emails was first received on April 24, 2009 from elizabethida@terra.com.br
Elizabeth Ida Posva
Brazil - SP
tel. 11 3361.3909
Including the following message and 15 attachments:
Good morning (it excuses my English)
I make research of my family and I visited your site.
I am granddaughter of Betty Wild daughter of Sara Hess and Ferdinand Wild.
We will change information.
I discovered that Sara Hess didn't die in Auchivitz, it was deported for Riga.
It follows pictures and material enclosed.
Elizabeth Ida Posva
Brazil - SP
tel. 11 3361.3909
One of the attachments was a family tree (wild stammbaum.jpg).
Hello cousin!!!!! little writes English
didn't open the pictures that vc ordered! you orders enclosed again
The woman of the passaport is my Avó Betty " Sara " (Wild) Hahn - name married. "Sara" namy nazi.
Betty Wild is daughter of Sara Hess and Ferdinand Wild (Dormitz).
sister of
Heinrich Wild
Joseph Wild
Léo Wild
Michael Wild
Sofie Wild
I am daughter of Edith Wild Hahn daughter of Betty Wild.
site family Wild
http://schulz.bytework.de/wild_dormitz.htm
SHABAT SHALOM!
Elizabeth Ida Posva
Departamento Kashrus
Comunidade Israelita Ortodoxa de São Paulo
Brazilian Kashrus Authority www.bka.com.br
tels. 55 11 3361.7857 / 55 11 3361.3909
A series of important emails was first received on April 24, 2009 from elizabethida@terra.com.br
Elizabeth Ida Posva
Brazil - SP
tel. 11 3361.3909
Including the following message and 15 attachments:
Good morning (it excuses my English)
I make research of my family and I visited your site.
I am granddaughter of Betty Wild daughter of Sara Hess and Ferdinand Wild.
We will change information.
I discovered that Sara Hess didn't die in Auchivitz, it was deported for Riga.
It follows pictures and material enclosed.
Elizabeth Ida Posva
Brazil - SP
tel. 11 3361.3909
One of the attachments was a family tree (wild stammbaum.jpg).
Hello cousin!!!!! little writes English
didn't open the pictures that vc ordered! you orders enclosed again
The woman of the passaport is my Avó Betty " Sara " (Wild) Hahn - name married. "Sara" namy nazi.
Betty Wild is daughter of Sara Hess and Ferdinand Wild (Dormitz).
sister of
Heinrich Wild
Joseph Wild
Léo Wild
Michael Wild
Sofie Wild
I am daughter of Edith Wild Hahn daughter of Betty Wild.
site family Wild
http://schulz.bytework.de/wild_dormitz.htm
SHABAT SHALOM!
Elizabeth Ida Posva
Departamento Kashrus
Comunidade Israelita Ortodoxa de São Paulo
Brazilian Kashrus Authority www.bka.com.br
tels. 55 11 3361.7857 / 55 11 3361.3909
214. Originally Isaac was believed to have died around 1880 -1881 since 2 grandsons were named Isaac in 1881 and 1882 and no death records could be located that would provide an accurate date.. However, document 4538 was found by a German researcher hired by Jeff which appointed guardians for Leopold and siblings on 31 of July 1866. So then it appeared he died by that date. But then it 2023 Ute Mehlhorn located the records -see ref 1589
215. “Death of Isaac Dreifuss Emmail from Ute Mehlhorn,” July 24, 2023.
Dear Pete,
I have just received an email from the Ortenau County Archive with a 1871 Altdorf death record for Isak Dreifuss (see attachment) which very much looks like the right one for your 3g-grandfather Isak Dreifuss!
On 20th of April 1871, Isak Gundelfinger (or Gundelsinger) appeared at the Altdorf civil registry office and reported the death of Isak Dreifuss in Altdorf on 20th of April 1871 (age 63 years / born in Altdorf). The death record states that he was a widower of ??? [difficult to read] nee Bernheimer and a legitimate son of Abraham Dreifuss and Duset Weil.
The age (1871 - 63 = 1808) matches as well as the last name of his deceased wife and the names of his parents!
Therefore I think it is safe to assume that this is indeed your Isak Dreifuss' death record!
The archivist did not find any further information on Isak Dreifuss - But at least now you have an answer for the question when and where Isak Dreifuss has died.
Best regards,
Ute
Note that Ute realized the the OSB and the Schmieheimcemetery book gave that date of death to Jakob Dreifuss and mark him as Ohne Grab 338. OG 338 is described as OSB ALTDORF 3961 for Jakob DREIFUSS, a tradesman, born around 1788, died April 20, 1871. Wife Recha nee Bernheim, Father Abraham Dreyfuss, cattle broker. Mother Dosel (Tusel) (dusette) nee Weil.
Rolf Mayer reading of the death certificate document, after translation with Google Translate gave the following: On April 20, 1871, the unmarried Jsak Gundelfinger, a merchant, residing in Altdorf, appeared before the registrar of the municipality of Altdorf, who stated that he was a relative of the deceased, and declared that on the twentieth of April of the year one thousand eight hundred seventy and one in the morning eight o'clock in Altdorf had died: Jsak Dreifuss, born in Altdorf, resident in Altdorf, 63 years old, husband (widower) of Ricka née Bernheimer, legitimate son of Abraham Dreifuss and Duset née Bernheimer. Because, both resident at Altdorf.
After the lecture and approval, this document was signed by the person appeared, by the registrar and the clerk of the council.
the appeared: Jsak Gundelfinger, the registrar: Grässer Bürgst..., the council clerk: Ferdinand Möhringer. Fees: the registrar and the clerk of the council 6 kr.»
File: Isaac DreifussDeath
Dear Pete,
I have just received an email from the Ortenau County Archive with a 1871 Altdorf death record for Isak Dreifuss (see attachment) which very much looks like the right one for your 3g-grandfather Isak Dreifuss!
On 20th of April 1871, Isak Gundelfinger (or Gundelsinger) appeared at the Altdorf civil registry office and reported the death of Isak Dreifuss in Altdorf on 20th of April 1871 (age 63 years / born in Altdorf). The death record states that he was a widower of ??? [difficult to read] nee Bernheimer and a legitimate son of Abraham Dreifuss and Duset Weil.
The age (1871 - 63 = 1808) matches as well as the last name of his deceased wife and the names of his parents!
Therefore I think it is safe to assume that this is indeed your Isak Dreifuss' death record!
The archivist did not find any further information on Isak Dreifuss - But at least now you have an answer for the question when and where Isak Dreifuss has died.
Best regards,
Ute
Note that Ute realized the the OSB and the Schmieheimcemetery book gave that date of death to Jakob Dreifuss and mark him as Ohne Grab 338. OG 338 is described as OSB ALTDORF 3961 for Jakob DREIFUSS, a tradesman, born around 1788, died April 20, 1871. Wife Recha nee Bernheim, Father Abraham Dreyfuss, cattle broker. Mother Dosel (Tusel) (dusette) nee Weil.
Rolf Mayer reading of the death certificate document, after translation with Google Translate gave the following: On April 20, 1871, the unmarried Jsak Gundelfinger, a merchant, residing in Altdorf, appeared before the registrar of the municipality of Altdorf, who stated that he was a relative of the deceased, and declared that on the twentieth of April of the year one thousand eight hundred seventy and one in the morning eight o'clock in Altdorf had died: Jsak Dreifuss, born in Altdorf, resident in Altdorf, 63 years old, husband (widower) of Ricka née Bernheimer, legitimate son of Abraham Dreifuss and Duset née Bernheimer. Because, both resident at Altdorf.
After the lecture and approval, this document was signed by the person appeared, by the registrar and the clerk of the council.
the appeared: Jsak Gundelfinger, the registrar: Grässer Bürgst..., the council clerk: Ferdinand Möhringer. Fees: the registrar and the clerk of the council 6 kr.»
File: Isaac DreifussDeath
216. “On page 118 (BILD 118) of Altdorf, Ettenheim OG; Israelitische Gemeinde: Standesbuch 1810-1839.”
On page 118 (BILD 118) of Altdorf, Ettenheim OG; Israelitische Gemeinde: Standesbuch 1810-1839 on the Internet I found wedding or Abraham to Sara Schweizer. I was first notified of the finding by Rolf Meyer Herrenmode.
The following German and English translation was provided by Rolf.
Significance of the finding was that the actual date of the wedding 6 June 1838 is different than that given in the Ortsippenbuch 14 Feb 1838. 14 Feb 1838 was the date permission for the wedding was granted and not the actual wedding date.
«Im Jahr eintausend acht hundert dreissig acht wurde in der israelitischen Gemeinde Altdorf nach erhaltenem Staats=erlaubnis d.d. Ettenheim den 14t Februar 1838. No. 3535, den 6t Juny Nachmittag zwei Uhr ehelich getraut Isaak Dreifuss, lediger Sohn des verstorbenen Abraham Dreifuss dahier, und der verstorbenen Tusel Weil dahier, und mit ihm Sara Schweizer, ledige Tochter des Löb Schweizer Viehhändler dahier, und der Vögel Weil. Zeugen waren Emanuel Hirsch Vorsänger dahier, und Löb Ellenbogen, Schuster dahier.
Altdorf am 6t Juny 1838. Stattberger, Pfarrer.»
«In the year onethousend eight hundred thirty eight were in the jewish community [of] Altdorf after getting the permission of the State through Ettenheim on February 14th number 3535. married on June 6th afternoon at two o’clock Issak Dreifuss, unmarried son of deceased Abraham Dreifuss in here, and of deceased Tusel Weil in here, and with him Sara Schweizer, unmarried daughter of Loeb Schweizer cattle dealer in here, and of Voegel Weil. Witnesses were Emanuel Hirsch, cantor in here, and Loeb Ellenbogen, shoemaker in here.
Altdorf on June 6th 1838, Stattberger, pastor.»
File: WeddingAbrahamDreifussandSaraSchweizer
On page 118 (BILD 118) of Altdorf, Ettenheim OG; Israelitische Gemeinde: Standesbuch 1810-1839 on the Internet I found wedding or Abraham to Sara Schweizer. I was first notified of the finding by Rolf Meyer Herrenmode.
The following German and English translation was provided by Rolf.
Significance of the finding was that the actual date of the wedding 6 June 1838 is different than that given in the Ortsippenbuch 14 Feb 1838. 14 Feb 1838 was the date permission for the wedding was granted and not the actual wedding date.
«Im Jahr eintausend acht hundert dreissig acht wurde in der israelitischen Gemeinde Altdorf nach erhaltenem Staats=erlaubnis d.d. Ettenheim den 14t Februar 1838. No. 3535, den 6t Juny Nachmittag zwei Uhr ehelich getraut Isaak Dreifuss, lediger Sohn des verstorbenen Abraham Dreifuss dahier, und der verstorbenen Tusel Weil dahier, und mit ihm Sara Schweizer, ledige Tochter des Löb Schweizer Viehhändler dahier, und der Vögel Weil. Zeugen waren Emanuel Hirsch Vorsänger dahier, und Löb Ellenbogen, Schuster dahier.
Altdorf am 6t Juny 1838. Stattberger, Pfarrer.»
«In the year onethousend eight hundred thirty eight were in the jewish community [of] Altdorf after getting the permission of the State through Ettenheim on February 14th number 3535. married on June 6th afternoon at two o’clock Issak Dreifuss, unmarried son of deceased Abraham Dreifuss in here, and of deceased Tusel Weil in here, and with him Sara Schweizer, unmarried daughter of Loeb Schweizer cattle dealer in here, and of Voegel Weil. Witnesses were Emanuel Hirsch, cantor in here, and Loeb Ellenbogen, shoemaker in here.
Altdorf on June 6th 1838, Stattberger, pastor.»
File: WeddingAbrahamDreifussandSaraSchweizer
217. Ortsippenbuch Schmieheim Ortenaukreis/Baden, Von Albert Kobele, Hans Scheer und Emil Ell, Selbstverlag des Herausgebers, Grafenhaufen bei Lahr/Baden 1979--
lists Salomon Bernheimer, Handelsmann under entry no. 2009. Born ca.1777. Died 5 Jun 1864. Married Ella Schnurmann (entry no. 2320) born ca 1784; died 20 April 1851. They had seven children:
Karoline (no 2261)
Leopold (2016)
Isaak -born ca. 1810 and emigrated to America 1851
Helena (no 2431)
Marie (2307)
Racheles born 28 Mar 1821 (I assume this is Rosa)
Herschel 22 Sep 1825
lists Salomon Bernheimer, Handelsmann under entry no. 2009. Born ca.1777. Died 5 Jun 1864. Married Ella Schnurmann (entry no. 2320) born ca 1784; died 20 April 1851. They had seven children:
Karoline (no 2261)
Leopold (2016)
Isaak -born ca. 1810 and emigrated to America 1851
Helena (no 2431)
Marie (2307)
Racheles born 28 Mar 1821 (I assume this is Rosa)
Herschel 22 Sep 1825
220. This is from information obtained in a phone conversation between Raphael and Nina Koire in October 2002.
Unfortunately Raffy’s format is difficult to decipher.
Genealogical tree
1 #1 Abraham GUNZBERGER; Leipzig?, Prussia <<PD95. Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002: maybe b
Leipzig>>
2 + <<PD95. Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002: Isaac oldest, Emma next to youngest, Esther
. youngest>> Rosa DREIFUSS b1-Apr-1861 d1-Jan-1934?; Altdorf, Germany, birth;
. Selinsgrove, PA <<PD95. OSBA #3972 agrees on birth date. Karen Burk Feb-1998 for
. Selinsgrove residence>>
3 . #11 Isaac GUNZBERGER {Railroad worker}; Selinsgrove, PA, birth;
. Chicago, IL, 854 Oakdale Avenue <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
. + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>> [somebody] _____
4 . #111 son GUNZBERGER <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
5 . #12 Jacob (Jack) (GUNZBERGER) DALE; Selinsgrove, PA, birth;
. Chicago, IL, 854 Oakdale Avenue <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
6 . + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002. Birth order likely correct.>> Clara _____ <<Nina
. Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
7 . #121 Geraldine DALE b1910 {Dancer;
. Established dance school in Hull House, Chicago};
. Chicago, IL <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
8 . + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>> Leo BARRINGTON <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
9 . #1211 children BARRINGTON <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
10 . #122 Sheldon DALE; Chicago, IL <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
. + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>> [somebody] _____
11 . #1221 children DALE <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
12 . #123 Paul DALE; Chicago, IL <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
. + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>> [somebody] _____
13 . #1231 Cindy DALE <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
14 . #1232 children DALE <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
15 . #124 Joanne DALE b1925; Chicago, IL <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
. + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>> [somebody] _____
16 . #1241 children _____ <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
17 . #13 Aaron GUNZBERGER {Furniture store owner}; Selinsgrove, PA, birth; Chicago, IL;
. Los Angeles, CA <twin> <<PD95. Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002: residences, occupation>>
18 . + <<PD95. Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002. No children.>> Katherine (Kitty) JAFFE;
. Chicago, IL, birth <<PD95 (Kitty). Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002: full first name,
. Chicago residence, last name>>
19 . #14 Leon GUNZBERGER; Selinsgrove, PA, birth <twin> <<PD95. Nina Koire,
. 1-Oct-2002: Selinsgrove residence; not married>>
20 . #15 Sol GUNZBERGER {Railroad worker}; Selinsgrove, PA, birth; Chicago, IL;
. Minneapolis, MI <<PD95. Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002: residences, occupation>>
21 . + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>> Ida _____ <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002. Cousin to
. Clarice>>
22 . + <<PD95. Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002: married after Ida died.>> Clarice _____ <<
. PD95. Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002: cousin to Ida>>
23 . #16 Sarah (Sally) GUNZBERGER b1-Jan-1900 d18-Mar-1963; Selinsgrove, PA, birth;
. Chicago, IL; Los Angeles, CA <<PD95. Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002: residences,
. birth/death dates>>
24 . + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>> David Morris (NATHANSON) LEVY b2-Nov-1880
. {Pharmacist} <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
25 . #161 Nina Rose [Rokhl] LEVY b20-Aug-1935 {Biology teacher, 6th grade};
. Chicago, IL, birth; Los Angeles, CA 90024, 10520 Wilshire Blvd, 2002, (210)
. 475-8886 <<PD95 places Nina as a child of Aaron, not Sarah. PFG places Nina as
. a child of Sarah. Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002: birth date, occupation, residences,
. Hebrew name, middle name>>
26 . + (4-Aug-1954-divorced) <<PD95>> Bernard KOIRE b29-Sep-1928 {Plastic surgeon;
. USC faculty}; Phildadelphia, PA, birth;
. Beverly Hills, CA 90210, 800 Cord Circle, 2002, (310) [w] 247-8577 [h]
. 271-4508 <<PD95. Bernard Koire, 1-Oct-2002: mother Saddie Berkowsky, father
. Herman (Koire) Cohen; birth date, residences, occupation>>
27 . #1611 Alison Sonja [Aviva] KOIRE b5-Sep-1955 {Employed at ABC};
. Maywood, CA, birth; Brentwood, CA 90049, 12845 Hanover Street, 2002, (310)
. 451-7129 <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
28 . + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>> Richard Conrad BRUSTEIN {Televison producer};
. . Great Neck, NY, birth <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
29 . . #16111 David Charles BRUSTEIN b6-Jun-1988 <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
30 . . #16112 Sarah Alexandra BRUSTEIN b13-Sep-1992 <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
31 . #1612 Hilary Suzanne KOIRE b19-Jul-1960 {Head of division, Calvin Klein;
. Owner, maternity fashions manufacturing}; Los Angeles, CA, birth;
. Mill Valley, CA 94941, 100 Elinor Stret, 2002, (415) 388-8833 <<Nina Koire,
. 1-Oct-2002>>
32 . + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>> Robert Cameron LESTER {Venture capital};
. . Washington, DC, birth <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
33 . . #16121 Charlotte Elizabeth LESTER b1-Jan-2000 <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
34 . . #16122 Robert William LESTER b1-Mar-2002 <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
35 . #17 Rachel GUNZBERGER; Selinsgrove, PA, birth;
. Chicago, IL, 854 Oakdale Avenue <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002; not married>>
36 . #18 Samuel GUNZBERGER {Butcher}; Selinsgrove, PA, birth;
. Chicago, IL, 854 Oakdale Avenue <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
37 . + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002. No children.>> Bertha (Birdie) RABINOWITZ <<Nina
. Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
38 . #19 Emma GUNZBERGER; Selinsgrove, PA, birth; Chicago, IL;
. Los Angeles, CA <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002. Not married>>
39 . #1A Esther GUNZBERGER; Selinsgrove, PA, birth; Chicago, IL;
. Los Angeles, CA <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
40 . + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002. No children.>> Max NAGLE {Film set designer} <<Nina
. Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
Unfortunately Raffy’s format is difficult to decipher.
Genealogical tree
1 #1 Abraham GUNZBERGER; Leipzig?, Prussia <<PD95. Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002: maybe b
Leipzig>>
2 + <<PD95. Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002: Isaac oldest, Emma next to youngest, Esther
. youngest>> Rosa DREIFUSS b1-Apr-1861 d1-Jan-1934?; Altdorf, Germany, birth;
. Selinsgrove, PA <<PD95. OSBA #3972 agrees on birth date. Karen Burk Feb-1998 for
. Selinsgrove residence>>
3 . #11 Isaac GUNZBERGER {Railroad worker}; Selinsgrove, PA, birth;
. Chicago, IL, 854 Oakdale Avenue <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
. + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>> [somebody] _____
4 . #111 son GUNZBERGER <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
5 . #12 Jacob (Jack) (GUNZBERGER) DALE; Selinsgrove, PA, birth;
. Chicago, IL, 854 Oakdale Avenue <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
6 . + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002. Birth order likely correct.>> Clara _____ <<Nina
. Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
7 . #121 Geraldine DALE b1910 {Dancer;
. Established dance school in Hull House, Chicago};
. Chicago, IL <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
8 . + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>> Leo BARRINGTON <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
9 . #1211 children BARRINGTON <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
10 . #122 Sheldon DALE; Chicago, IL <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
. + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>> [somebody] _____
11 . #1221 children DALE <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
12 . #123 Paul DALE; Chicago, IL <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
. + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>> [somebody] _____
13 . #1231 Cindy DALE <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
14 . #1232 children DALE <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
15 . #124 Joanne DALE b1925; Chicago, IL <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
. + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>> [somebody] _____
16 . #1241 children _____ <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
17 . #13 Aaron GUNZBERGER {Furniture store owner}; Selinsgrove, PA, birth; Chicago, IL;
. Los Angeles, CA <twin> <<PD95. Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002: residences, occupation>>
18 . + <<PD95. Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002. No children.>> Katherine (Kitty) JAFFE;
. Chicago, IL, birth <<PD95 (Kitty). Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002: full first name,
. Chicago residence, last name>>
19 . #14 Leon GUNZBERGER; Selinsgrove, PA, birth <twin> <<PD95. Nina Koire,
. 1-Oct-2002: Selinsgrove residence; not married>>
20 . #15 Sol GUNZBERGER {Railroad worker}; Selinsgrove, PA, birth; Chicago, IL;
. Minneapolis, MI <<PD95. Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002: residences, occupation>>
21 . + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>> Ida _____ <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002. Cousin to
. Clarice>>
22 . + <<PD95. Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002: married after Ida died.>> Clarice _____ <<
. PD95. Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002: cousin to Ida>>
23 . #16 Sarah (Sally) GUNZBERGER b1-Jan-1900 d18-Mar-1963; Selinsgrove, PA, birth;
. Chicago, IL; Los Angeles, CA <<PD95. Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002: residences,
. birth/death dates>>
24 . + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>> David Morris (NATHANSON) LEVY b2-Nov-1880
. {Pharmacist} <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
25 . #161 Nina Rose [Rokhl] LEVY b20-Aug-1935 {Biology teacher, 6th grade};
. Chicago, IL, birth; Los Angeles, CA 90024, 10520 Wilshire Blvd, 2002, (210)
. 475-8886 <<PD95 places Nina as a child of Aaron, not Sarah. PFG places Nina as
. a child of Sarah. Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002: birth date, occupation, residences,
. Hebrew name, middle name>>
26 . + (4-Aug-1954-divorced) <<PD95>> Bernard KOIRE b29-Sep-1928 {Plastic surgeon;
. USC faculty}; Phildadelphia, PA, birth;
. Beverly Hills, CA 90210, 800 Cord Circle, 2002, (310) [w] 247-8577 [h]
. 271-4508 <<PD95. Bernard Koire, 1-Oct-2002: mother Saddie Berkowsky, father
. Herman (Koire) Cohen; birth date, residences, occupation>>
27 . #1611 Alison Sonja [Aviva] KOIRE b5-Sep-1955 {Employed at ABC};
. Maywood, CA, birth; Brentwood, CA 90049, 12845 Hanover Street, 2002, (310)
. 451-7129 <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
28 . + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>> Richard Conrad BRUSTEIN {Televison producer};
. . Great Neck, NY, birth <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
29 . . #16111 David Charles BRUSTEIN b6-Jun-1988 <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
30 . . #16112 Sarah Alexandra BRUSTEIN b13-Sep-1992 <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
31 . #1612 Hilary Suzanne KOIRE b19-Jul-1960 {Head of division, Calvin Klein;
. Owner, maternity fashions manufacturing}; Los Angeles, CA, birth;
. Mill Valley, CA 94941, 100 Elinor Stret, 2002, (415) 388-8833 <<Nina Koire,
. 1-Oct-2002>>
32 . + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>> Robert Cameron LESTER {Venture capital};
. . Washington, DC, birth <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
33 . . #16121 Charlotte Elizabeth LESTER b1-Jan-2000 <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
34 . . #16122 Robert William LESTER b1-Mar-2002 <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
35 . #17 Rachel GUNZBERGER; Selinsgrove, PA, birth;
. Chicago, IL, 854 Oakdale Avenue <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002; not married>>
36 . #18 Samuel GUNZBERGER {Butcher}; Selinsgrove, PA, birth;
. Chicago, IL, 854 Oakdale Avenue <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
37 . + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002. No children.>> Bertha (Birdie) RABINOWITZ <<Nina
. Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
38 . #19 Emma GUNZBERGER; Selinsgrove, PA, birth; Chicago, IL;
. Los Angeles, CA <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002. Not married>>
39 . #1A Esther GUNZBERGER; Selinsgrove, PA, birth; Chicago, IL;
. Los Angeles, CA <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
40 . + <<Nina Koire, 1-Oct-2002. No children.>> Max NAGLE {Film set designer} <<Nina
. Koire, 1-Oct-2002>>
221. “Rosa Gunzburger (and Albert)- in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current-.”
Rosa Gunzburger
in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name:
Rosa Gunzburger
Gender:
F (Female)
Birth Date:
1 Apr 1861
Death Date:
4 Jan 1932
Cemetery:
Waldheim Cemetery Co.
Burial or Cremation Place:
Forest Park, Cook County, Illinois, United States of America
Has Bio?:
N
Spouse:
Albert Gunzburger
URL:
https://www.findagrave.com/mem...
ALSO:
Albert Gunzburger
in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name:
Albert Gunzburger
Gender:
M (Male)
Birth Date:
27 Sep 1861
Death Date:
31 Dec 1941
Cemetery:
Waldheim Cemetery Co.
Burial or Cremation Place:
Forest Park, Cook County, Illinois, United States of America
Has Bio?:
N
Spouse:
Rosa Gunzburger
URL:
https://www.findagrave.com/mem...
Files (2): AlbertGunzburgerGrave, RosaGunzburgerGrave
Rosa Gunzburger
in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name:
Rosa Gunzburger
Gender:
F (Female)
Birth Date:
1 Apr 1861
Death Date:
4 Jan 1932
Cemetery:
Waldheim Cemetery Co.
Burial or Cremation Place:
Forest Park, Cook County, Illinois, United States of America
Has Bio?:
N
Spouse:
Albert Gunzburger
URL:
https://www.findagrave.com/mem...
ALSO:
Albert Gunzburger
in the U.S., Find A Grave Index, 1600s-Current
Name:
Albert Gunzburger
Gender:
M (Male)
Birth Date:
27 Sep 1861
Death Date:
31 Dec 1941
Cemetery:
Waldheim Cemetery Co.
Burial or Cremation Place:
Forest Park, Cook County, Illinois, United States of America
Has Bio?:
N
Spouse:
Rosa Gunzburger
URL:
https://www.findagrave.com/mem...
Files (2): AlbertGunzburgerGrave, RosaGunzburgerGrave
222. “1910 Federal Census Records filed in Selinsgrove at Ancestry.com,” East Chestnut Street, Selinsgrove, 9 May 1910, July 23, 2004.
1910 Federal Census Recocords INDEX at Ancstry.com has them living at 361 East East Chestnut Street, Selins Grove borough, Snyder County, PA.
Family members were:
Albert Head 48 (married 26 years) Immigrated 1882 was a buyer of scrap iron. In block whether naturalized or alien there is a mark which looks like a N.
Rosie 48 (Mother of 10 children, and all 10 are alive (but only seven listed), married 26 years) Immigrated 1882
Samuel 16
Ray (daughter-probably this is Rachel) 15
Leon H. 13
Aaron S. 13
Sarah 10
Emma 7
Ester C. 5
Name: Albert Gonelinger
[Albert Gumberger]
Age in 1910: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Birthplace: Germany
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Germany
Mother's Birth Place: Germany
Spouse's Name: Rosie
Home in 1910: Selinsgrove, Snyder, Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1882 for both Albert and Rosie
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Gonelinger 48
Rosie Gonelinger 48
Samuel Gonelinger 16
Ray Gonelinger 15
Leon H Gonelinger 13
Aaron S Gonelinger 13
Sarah Gonelinger 10
Emma Gonelinger 7
Ester C Gonelinger 5
File: Gunzburger1910
1910 Federal Census Recocords INDEX at Ancstry.com has them living at 361 East East Chestnut Street, Selins Grove borough, Snyder County, PA.
Family members were:
Albert Head 48 (married 26 years) Immigrated 1882 was a buyer of scrap iron. In block whether naturalized or alien there is a mark which looks like a N.
Rosie 48 (Mother of 10 children, and all 10 are alive (but only seven listed), married 26 years) Immigrated 1882
Samuel 16
Ray (daughter-probably this is Rachel) 15
Leon H. 13
Aaron S. 13
Sarah 10
Emma 7
Ester C. 5
Name: Albert Gonelinger
[Albert Gumberger]
Age in 1910: 48
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Birthplace: Germany
Relation to Head of House: Head
Father's Birth Place: Germany
Mother's Birth Place: Germany
Spouse's Name: Rosie
Home in 1910: Selinsgrove, Snyder, Pennsylvania
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Gender: Male
Year of Immigration: 1882 for both Albert and Rosie
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Gonelinger 48
Rosie Gonelinger 48
Samuel Gonelinger 16
Ray Gonelinger 15
Leon H Gonelinger 13
Aaron S Gonelinger 13
Sarah Gonelinger 10
Emma Gonelinger 7
Ester C Gonelinger 5
File: Gunzburger1910
223. “1920 Federal Census,” N. Albany Ave., Chicago. IL, 8 Jan 1920.
Name: Albert Ginsburg
Home in 1920: Chicago Ward 33, Cook (Chicago), Illinois
Age: 58 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Birthplace: Germany
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Rosie
Father's Birth Place: Germany
Mother's Birth Place: Germany
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1880
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 849
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Ginsburg 58
Rosie Ginsburg 58 (Imm 1880 also)
Sam Ginsburg 25
Roe Ginsburg 33
Aaron Ginsburg 22
Emma Ginsburg 14
Esther Ginsburg 15
Sarah Ginsburg 20
File: Ginsburg1920
Name: Albert Ginsburg
Home in 1920: Chicago Ward 33, Cook (Chicago), Illinois
Age: 58 years
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1862
Birthplace: Germany
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Rosie
Father's Birth Place: Germany
Mother's Birth Place: Germany
Marital Status: Married
Race: White
Sex: Male
Home owned: Rent
Year of Immigration: 1880
Able to read: Yes
Able to Write: Yes
Image: 849
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Ginsburg 58
Rosie Ginsburg 58 (Imm 1880 also)
Sam Ginsburg 25
Roe Ginsburg 33
Aaron Ginsburg 22
Emma Ginsburg 14
Esther Ginsburg 15
Sarah Ginsburg 20
File: Ginsburg1920
224. “1930 Federal Census,” Chicago.
Name:
Albert Guncberger
Gender:
Male
Birth Year:
abt 1861
Birthplace:
Germany
Race:
White
Home in 1930:
Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Map of Home:
View Map
Marital Status:
Married
Immigration Year:
1885
Relation to Head of House:
Head
Spouse's Name:
Rose Guncberger
Father's Birthplace:
Germany
Mother's Birthplace:
Germany
Occupation:
Education:
Military service:
Rent/home value:
Age at first marriage:
Parents' birthplace:
View image
Neighbors:
View others on page
Household Members:
Name
Age
Albert Guncberger
69
Rose Guncberger
62
Samuel Guncberger
33
Leon Guncberger
28
Aaron Guncberger
21
Rae Guncberger
25
Sarah Guncberger
21
Name:
Albert Guncberger
Gender:
Male
Birth Year:
abt 1861
Birthplace:
Germany
Race:
White
Home in 1930:
Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Map of Home:
View Map
Marital Status:
Married
Immigration Year:
1885
Relation to Head of House:
Head
Spouse's Name:
Rose Guncberger
Father's Birthplace:
Germany
Mother's Birthplace:
Germany
Occupation:
Education:
Military service:
Rent/home value:
Age at first marriage:
Parents' birthplace:
View image
Neighbors:
View others on page
Household Members:
Name
Age
Albert Guncberger
69
Rose Guncberger
62
Samuel Guncberger
33
Leon Guncberger
28
Aaron Guncberger
21
Rae Guncberger
25
Sarah Guncberger
21
225. SS information on Sol and Aaron Gunzburger see #177 and 179 give their father's name as Albert. LLD's records listed it as Abraham
227. “Illinois Statewide Death Index, 1916–1950.”
The Illinois Statewide Death Index 1916-1950 lists:
GUNZCURGER ALBERT Sex/Race= M/W Age=Y-71 Certificate#=0035430 Death Date=1941-12-30 County=COOK City=CHICAGO
If you assume, possibly correctly, that the name should in fact be Gunzburger, then you must assume that the age at death was 81 and not 71. If he was 71 he would have been a young teenage father and many years younger than Rosa. Need to get death certificate.
Also:
Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947 about Albert Gunzburger
Name:
Albert Gunzburger
Birth Date:
abt 1870
Birth Place:
Schinheim, Germany
Death Date:
30 Dec 1941
Death Place:
Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Burial Date:
5 Jan 1942
Burial Place:
Forest Park, Cook, Illinois
Cemetery Name:
O.K.O.J.
Death Age:
71
Occupation:
Retired Salesman Mineral
Race:
White
Marital Status:
W
Gender:
Male
Residence:
Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Father Name:
Samuel Gunzburger
Father Birth Place:
Schinheim, Germany
Mother Name:
Sophia Baum
Mother Birth Place:
Germany
Spouse Name:
Rosa
FHL Film Number:
1953738 http://stevemorse.org/vital/illdeath.html?years=post.
The Illinois Statewide Death Index 1916-1950 lists:
GUNZCURGER ALBERT Sex/Race= M/W Age=Y-71 Certificate#=0035430 Death Date=1941-12-30 County=COOK City=CHICAGO
If you assume, possibly correctly, that the name should in fact be Gunzburger, then you must assume that the age at death was 81 and not 71. If he was 71 he would have been a young teenage father and many years younger than Rosa. Need to get death certificate.
Also:
Illinois, Deaths and Stillbirths Index, 1916-1947 about Albert Gunzburger
Name:
Albert Gunzburger
Birth Date:
abt 1870
Birth Place:
Schinheim, Germany
Death Date:
30 Dec 1941
Death Place:
Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Burial Date:
5 Jan 1942
Burial Place:
Forest Park, Cook, Illinois
Cemetery Name:
O.K.O.J.
Death Age:
71
Occupation:
Retired Salesman Mineral
Race:
White
Marital Status:
W
Gender:
Male
Residence:
Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Father Name:
Samuel Gunzburger
Father Birth Place:
Schinheim, Germany
Mother Name:
Sophia Baum
Mother Birth Place:
Germany
Spouse Name:
Rosa
FHL Film Number:
1953738 http://stevemorse.org/vital/illdeath.html?years=post.
228. “Pennsylvania Church and Town Records via Ancestry.com.”
Marriage of Rosina Dreifuss Age 22 to Albert Guensbarger 23 at Congregation Rodeph Shalom
Marriage of Rosina Dreifuss Age 22 to Albert Guensbarger 23 at Congregation Rodeph Shalom
229. “1930 Federal Census.”
Name: Albert Guncberger
Home in 1930: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Birthplace: Germany
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Rose
Race: White
Occupation:
Albert’s Immigration: 1885
Rose’s Immigration: 1884
Rent/home value: Owned a $18,000 home!
Age at first marriage: Albert 23/Rose 16
Parents' birthplace:
View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Guncberger 69
Rose Guncberger 62
Samuel Guncberger 33
Leon Guncberger 28
Aaron Guncberger 21
Rae Guncberger 25
Sarah Guncberger 21
Name: Albert Guncberger
Home in 1930: Chicago, Cook, Illinois
Age: 69
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1861
Birthplace: Germany
Relation to Head of House: Head
Spouse's Name: Rose
Race: White
Occupation:
Albert’s Immigration: 1885
Rose’s Immigration: 1884
Rent/home value: Owned a $18,000 home!
Age at first marriage: Albert 23/Rose 16
Parents' birthplace:
View Image
Neighbors: View others on page
Household Members:
Name Age
Albert Guncberger 69
Rose Guncberger 62
Samuel Guncberger 33
Leon Guncberger 28
Aaron Guncberger 21
Rae Guncberger 25
Sarah Guncberger 21
230. “Altdorf Ortsippenbuch (Entry 3958).”
¨Altdorf OSB entry <3958> Is the family of Abraham Dreyfuß, a Nothändler born around 1747 and died 24 Jan 1821 who married Marianna Gundelfinger (year of marriage not given). Only 1 child is listed here- which is Jetla (Judith) <3963,4219>.
However, I have listed in this file other children Aron, Moses, Jakob, Sara which are not given in the OSB. I am pretty sure I obtained these records originally from Dad’s “blue book” where here wrote these records down bt hand. Jakob (married to Recha Bernheim) is given as the son of Abraham from the marriage to Dusette according to OSB Altdorf.
¨Altdorf OSB entry <3958> Is the family of Abraham Dreyfuß, a Nothändler born around 1747 and died 24 Jan 1821 who married Marianna Gundelfinger (year of marriage not given). Only 1 child is listed here- which is Jetla (Judith) <3963,4219>.
However, I have listed in this file other children Aron, Moses, Jakob, Sara which are not given in the OSB. I am pretty sure I obtained these records originally from Dad’s “blue book” where here wrote these records down bt hand. Jakob (married to Recha Bernheim) is given as the son of Abraham from the marriage to Dusette according to OSB Altdorf.
231. “Death Record Abraham Dreyfus,” 24 Jan 1821.
Files (2): AltdorfRecord1821, Abraham Dreyfuss Death Record
Files (2): AltdorfRecord1821, Abraham Dreyfuss Death Record
232. 14 September 2023, Rolf Mayer.
Rolf Mayer provided me a thumb drive on our trip to Germany containing the document, “Genealogie Dreifuss/Dreyfuss in Familienverbänden”. I added the english tranlations of each of his entries but kept the original in my electronic records as well.
I was able to add the date (25) and month (Feb) to the known year of death (1840) for Jettel Meyer, the wife of Jakob Dreifuss (the possible brother of Abraham Dreyfuss). This assumes that Hornung is old for of German for February.
I used the date in this record to change the death record of Aron Dreyfuss (Aaron Dreifuss) to 4 Nov 1848. This Aaron Dreifuss was the first son of Abraham Dreyfuss.
File: Genealogie Dreifuss in Familienverbänden, mit Bild
Rolf Mayer provided me a thumb drive on our trip to Germany containing the document, “Genealogie Dreifuss/Dreyfuss in Familienverbänden”. I added the english tranlations of each of his entries but kept the original in my electronic records as well.
I was able to add the date (25) and month (Feb) to the known year of death (1840) for Jettel Meyer, the wife of Jakob Dreifuss (the possible brother of Abraham Dreyfuss). This assumes that Hornung is old for of German for February.
I used the date in this record to change the death record of Aron Dreyfuss (Aaron Dreifuss) to 4 Nov 1848. This Aaron Dreifuss was the first son of Abraham Dreyfuss.
File: Genealogie Dreifuss in Familienverbänden, mit Bild
233. from Jonny Mendelsson. February 2002 and gedcom he sent (Jonny.Mendelsson@btinternet.com)
Peter
thanks for replying.
I do have pictures but the file would get even bigger.
Ive recently made contact with Dr Peter Stein in Basle
and Thekla Nordwind the grandchildren of Ludwig Stein.
Peter has been very helpful and sent me photocopies of some f the pictures
on the website of Maier & Kola Dreifuss.
As I said most of my information is about the Kahns of Offenburg, on my
mothers side and the Wolfbergs on my fathers.
I hope Ive not sent to much information.
As I say this is all new to me .
Do people just want what s pertinent to them, where do you stop?
I look forward to receiving your gedcom and filling in the holes.
Some of the information Ive already filled in from your Website.
Do you have pictures of Sophie Stein (1842 -1901)
or her parents Marx Wolf Stein(1817 -1879) or Helene Weil (1818-1898)
I have a picture of their grave in Offenburg.
The Weils, as Peter has informed me were a very famous rabbinical line.
Going back to the 1300s. Although some of the information seems slightly
unreliable. There's an article on Jewish Gen by Werner Frank I believe .
Let me know if you're interested and Ill forward the link.
In the meantime keep well and thanks again for putting all the information
on line.
Do let me know how you get on with the gedcom.
All the best
Jonny
> From: PeteDr@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:40:08 EST
> To: jonny.mendelsson@btinternet.com
> Subject: Re: Fanny Vogele dreifus 1828 - 1884
>
> Dear Jonny,
>
> Thanks so much for writing and I'm very sorry for the long time it took to
> respond since I had been travelling and then tied up with some other things.
> Thanks so much for the remarks about the website! I'm afraid it is been a
> long time since I have updated it but I plan to mov the whole thing and
> rewrite it sometime this year. One of the errors which I have correct in my
> Reunion database is the correct dates for Braunle. But I do appreciate if
> you spot any errors.
> Perhaps you are in contact with others descended from Aron Dreyfuss including
> Hanna Meyer Moses (Bremgarten, Sitzerland), Daniel and Eduardo Dreifuss
> (Lima, Peru), Walter Dreifuss (Geisenheim, Germany) and Ron Breth (Melbourne,
> Australia).
> I would appreciate it if you would send a Gedcom and I will return the favor
> as well.
> I'm always delighted to meet another relative. I'm sorry I idn't know I had
> family in London when I visited there in August.
> Best Regards,
>
> Pete Dreifuss
> Burtonsville, MD USA
>
>
> In a message dated 1/25/02 7:20:58 PM, Jonny.Mendelsson@btinternet.com writes:
>
>> Ive just stumbled on your website via reunion,
>> Wonderful, really wonderful!
>>
>> My GGG Uncle was Marx Kahn and He married Sophie.
>> They are both buried in the cemetery at Offenburg.
>> I have quite alot of data for the family.
>>
>> My G Grandmother was a Kahn and there is quite alot of informtion about
>> them.
>> i will happily send it to you via Gedcom.
>> I guess you may have it already.
>>
>> Ive only had reunion a couple of months and Im loving it. It makes life
>> so much easier.
>> Ive since been in touch with a descendnt of the Steins and other Kahns.
>>
>> I did notice a small mistke and Its something that happens to me in
>> reunion alot
>> On the descendant tree of Abraham and Marianne
>>
>> Aron dreifuss wife Braunle Lesers death dates are 3 October, they should
>> be 10 march.
>> I have this inforamtion from the book at schmeiheim .Her grave number is
>> Row 18 no.23
>> on p.281.
>>
>> I hope you dont mind me telling you this.
>>
>> Im actually based in London,where my mother came to after the war.
>> She was looked after by the OSE and although in Gurs she managed to
>> survive via switzerland.
>>
>>
>> I cant wait to find out more and look forward to hearing from you soon.
>>
>> All the very best and Im so glad I found the website.
>>
>>
>> Jonny
>>
>>
Peter
thanks for replying.
I do have pictures but the file would get even bigger.
Ive recently made contact with Dr Peter Stein in Basle
and Thekla Nordwind the grandchildren of Ludwig Stein.
Peter has been very helpful and sent me photocopies of some f the pictures
on the website of Maier & Kola Dreifuss.
As I said most of my information is about the Kahns of Offenburg, on my
mothers side and the Wolfbergs on my fathers.
I hope Ive not sent to much information.
As I say this is all new to me .
Do people just want what s pertinent to them, where do you stop?
I look forward to receiving your gedcom and filling in the holes.
Some of the information Ive already filled in from your Website.
Do you have pictures of Sophie Stein (1842 -1901)
or her parents Marx Wolf Stein(1817 -1879) or Helene Weil (1818-1898)
I have a picture of their grave in Offenburg.
The Weils, as Peter has informed me were a very famous rabbinical line.
Going back to the 1300s. Although some of the information seems slightly
unreliable. There's an article on Jewish Gen by Werner Frank I believe .
Let me know if you're interested and Ill forward the link.
In the meantime keep well and thanks again for putting all the information
on line.
Do let me know how you get on with the gedcom.
All the best
Jonny
> From: PeteDr@aol.com
> Date: Sat, 2 Feb 2002 17:40:08 EST
> To: jonny.mendelsson@btinternet.com
> Subject: Re: Fanny Vogele dreifus 1828 - 1884
>
> Dear Jonny,
>
> Thanks so much for writing and I'm very sorry for the long time it took to
> respond since I had been travelling and then tied up with some other things.
> Thanks so much for the remarks about the website! I'm afraid it is been a
> long time since I have updated it but I plan to mov the whole thing and
> rewrite it sometime this year. One of the errors which I have correct in my
> Reunion database is the correct dates for Braunle. But I do appreciate if
> you spot any errors.
> Perhaps you are in contact with others descended from Aron Dreyfuss including
> Hanna Meyer Moses (Bremgarten, Sitzerland), Daniel and Eduardo Dreifuss
> (Lima, Peru), Walter Dreifuss (Geisenheim, Germany) and Ron Breth (Melbourne,
> Australia).
> I would appreciate it if you would send a Gedcom and I will return the favor
> as well.
> I'm always delighted to meet another relative. I'm sorry I idn't know I had
> family in London when I visited there in August.
> Best Regards,
>
> Pete Dreifuss
> Burtonsville, MD USA
>
>
> In a message dated 1/25/02 7:20:58 PM, Jonny.Mendelsson@btinternet.com writes:
>
>> Ive just stumbled on your website via reunion,
>> Wonderful, really wonderful!
>>
>> My GGG Uncle was Marx Kahn and He married Sophie.
>> They are both buried in the cemetery at Offenburg.
>> I have quite alot of data for the family.
>>
>> My G Grandmother was a Kahn and there is quite alot of informtion about
>> them.
>> i will happily send it to you via Gedcom.
>> I guess you may have it already.
>>
>> Ive only had reunion a couple of months and Im loving it. It makes life
>> so much easier.
>> Ive since been in touch with a descendnt of the Steins and other Kahns.
>>
>> I did notice a small mistke and Its something that happens to me in
>> reunion alot
>> On the descendant tree of Abraham and Marianne
>>
>> Aron dreifuss wife Braunle Lesers death dates are 3 October, they should
>> be 10 march.
>> I have this inforamtion from the book at schmeiheim .Her grave number is
>> Row 18 no.23
>> on p.281.
>>
>> I hope you dont mind me telling you this.
>>
>> Im actually based in London,where my mother came to after the war.
>> She was looked after by the OSE and although in Gurs she managed to
>> survive via switzerland.
>>
>>
>> I cant wait to find out more and look forward to hearing from you soon.
>>
>> All the very best and Im so glad I found the website.
>>
>>
>> Jonny
>>
>>
234. Naftali Bar-Giora Bamberger, Memor-Buch Der Judische Friedhof in Schmieheim.
I found Emmanuel Hirsch in the Index of Der Judische Friedhof in Schmieheim as Menachem Manel Schat”z with the date of death as October 6 1839 in Altdorf in Row 26 grave 2.
I found Emmanuel Hirsch in the Index of Der Judische Friedhof in Schmieheim as Menachem Manel Schat”z with the date of death as October 6 1839 in Altdorf in Row 26 grave 2.
235. Naftali Bar-Giora Bamberger, Der juedische Friedhof in Schmieheim Band I.
I found her grave in Reference 267 Schmieheim Cemetery Row 26 Grave 34 date of death listed as 13 mar 1837 ( 6 Adar 2597).
First name alternates are Roset, Tuset, Dosel, Tusel and Dusette. Husband (Gatte) listed as Abraham Dreyfuβ
Her father’s name (Vater) is listed as Eli. The reference in this book for information obtained from the Ortsippenbuch (SB Altdorf 3960) # 3960 does not list her father. Eli as father was obtained from cemetery records (the headstone)
"Karolina Weil, daughter of Joseph W & Hindel nee Werthheimer"- these notes in LLD's records near Duset Weil's entry below Abraham.
I found her grave in Reference 267 Schmieheim Cemetery Row 26 Grave 34 date of death listed as 13 mar 1837 ( 6 Adar 2597).
First name alternates are Roset, Tuset, Dosel, Tusel and Dusette. Husband (Gatte) listed as Abraham Dreyfuβ
Her father’s name (Vater) is listed as Eli. The reference in this book for information obtained from the Ortsippenbuch (SB Altdorf 3960) # 3960 does not list her father. Eli as father was obtained from cemetery records (the headstone)
"Karolina Weil, daughter of Joseph W & Hindel nee Werthheimer"- these notes in LLD's records near Duset Weil's entry below Abraham.
237. “Ortsippenbuch Altdorf.”
Her date of desth is given as March 10, 1837, consistent with ref 1590
Her date of desth is given as March 10, 1837, consistent with ref 1590
238. 1798 according to Alice Dreifuss Goldstein in the Acknwledgements section of her monograph, "Determinants of Change and Response Among Jews and Catholics in a Nineteenth Century German Village". Dad's record indicates "about 1796"
240. “This Book Belongs to Ahron Son of Abraham in Altdorf.”
Article Written ny Hanna Meyer-Moses with Aldorf Prayer Book Text. The children of Abraham mentioned are:
Ahron born 9 Schevat (January) 5540 (1780)
Moses 29 Ellul, Erev Rosh Haschone, 5542 (1782)
Jacob 2 Tamuz 5546 (1786 July)
Mahrem Tuesday 5 Nissan 5548 (1788)
Samuel (date illegable)
daughter Zerle (illegible)
The children of Ahron mentioned are:
Menle Saturday 2nd of Tebeth 5572 !812) Compare with Emanuel 21.12.1816-
Meier Thursday 26th of Tebeth (January 5580 (1820) Compare with Mayer 24.2.1820-26.3.1896
Mirjam 3rd Jjar 5582 (1822) Compare with *Maria 7.5.1822-4.10.1890
Abraham 17 Av 5585 (1825) ompare with *5.8.1824-21.12.1897
Vögele 13 Tamuz 5588 (1828) compare with *Vögel 5.7.1(8)28,
Rösele 3 Nissan 5591 (1831) compare with *Kesla17.3.1831
Levi 21 Av 5593 (1833) compare with *Lazarus 5.8.1833-26.8.1857
The children of Ahron acording to the Altdorf OSB *are:
Emanuel 21.12.1816- , Delz11.11.1818-29.9.1819,Mayer 24.2.1820-26.3.1896 ,Maria 7.5.1822-4.10.1890 , Abraham 5.8.1824-21.12.1897 , Vögel 5.7.1(8)28, Kesla17.3.1831, Lazarus 5.8.1833-26.8.1857
Files (2): This Book Belongs to Ahron_p1, This Book Belongs to Ahron_p2
Article Written ny Hanna Meyer-Moses with Aldorf Prayer Book Text. The children of Abraham mentioned are:
Ahron born 9 Schevat (January) 5540 (1780)
Moses 29 Ellul, Erev Rosh Haschone, 5542 (1782)
Jacob 2 Tamuz 5546 (1786 July)
Mahrem Tuesday 5 Nissan 5548 (1788)
Samuel (date illegable)
daughter Zerle (illegible)
The children of Ahron mentioned are:
Menle Saturday 2nd of Tebeth 5572 !812) Compare with Emanuel 21.12.1816-
Meier Thursday 26th of Tebeth (January 5580 (1820) Compare with Mayer 24.2.1820-26.3.1896
Mirjam 3rd Jjar 5582 (1822) Compare with *Maria 7.5.1822-4.10.1890
Abraham 17 Av 5585 (1825) ompare with *5.8.1824-21.12.1897
Vögele 13 Tamuz 5588 (1828) compare with *Vögel 5.7.1(8)28,
Rösele 3 Nissan 5591 (1831) compare with *Kesla17.3.1831
Levi 21 Av 5593 (1833) compare with *Lazarus 5.8.1833-26.8.1857
The children of Ahron acording to the Altdorf OSB *are:
Emanuel 21.12.1816- , Delz11.11.1818-29.9.1819,Mayer 24.2.1820-26.3.1896 ,Maria 7.5.1822-4.10.1890 , Abraham 5.8.1824-21.12.1897 , Vögel 5.7.1(8)28, Kesla17.3.1831, Lazarus 5.8.1833-26.8.1857
Files (2): This Book Belongs to Ahron_p1, This Book Belongs to Ahron_p2
241. Aron's birthday of January 1780 came from the records of Leonard Dreifuss. R. Finkle's had the birth date pinpointed to the ninth day of January. Abraham's bible inscription says 9 Schevat 5540, which is January 1780, but I'm not sure yet if that is January 9. Later Rafi translated the page fom Aaron’s prayerbook and translatedSunday 9 Shevat 5540 as 16 Jan 1780 Gregorian.
Aron's death was recorded by LLD as 5 Nov 1848 but RF lists it as 4 Nov 1848.
OSB gives birth as "um 1778" and death as 4 Nov 1848
Schmieheim Memor-Buch gives father as Awraham, birthdat as5 November 1848 and death as November 5, 1848
Aron's death was recorded by LLD as 5 Nov 1848 but RF lists it as 4 Nov 1848.
OSB gives birth as "um 1778" and death as 4 Nov 1848
Schmieheim Memor-Buch gives father as Awraham, birthdat as5 November 1848 and death as November 5, 1848
242. According to Zoav Wasserman, whose Grandfather researched the origins of the name, the first Wasserman lived on Worms and controlled all the water sources there. There were riots against the jews in mid 1600s and he was killed. The children spread throughout Europe.
(yoavw@netmedia.net.il)
(yoavw@netmedia.net.il)
243. Birth 1898 Recollection for Sarah (verbal) of Joseph Spigelman on the places of birth during our trip to Paris and surroundings June 1999. But, I’m going with Sid’s written records Joseph gave Sid (see ref 442) many years earlier where he referred to her as Sister #1 and born around 1892. I am using ca 1893 since her parent were married late in 1892.
244. First, I obtained the marriage year from an EXCEL file for Zwolen- I have EXCEL file, obtained by contributing to JRI-P to obtain records. Groom Lejbus Waserman and bride Estera Ruchla Finkelsztajn. ACT-19 recorded on lines 2917 and 2918.
About 2 years later, (on Dec 11, 2004) I received the marriage record obtained from Radom (Archiwum Panstwowe w Radomiu) via JRI-P. It is written in Cyrillic and I cannot translate this yet. In margin it does have dates 1969 and 1871 which must be birth dates of bride and groom. Thie dates are new information.
Dec 14, 2004 I received the following unsigned translation (from dprice@sympatico.ca) of the document, by sending the jpeg file to Jewishgen’s ViewMate:
Dear Peter:
I translated the 3 Zwolen films for JRI. I am attaching what I typed if your computer can handle it. I hope you get more records from it.
5191,5192
marriage of Lejbus WASERMAN age 22 son of Rachmil and Lai FLJAJSZER to Estera Ruchlja FINKELSZTAJN age 20 daughter of the late Herszek and Chai
5193
birth of Jojzen PAL son of Szmul age 19 of the town Baranow and Ena? SZPERLING
Dec 15, 2004- I received the following:
Dear Peter,
I've tried labouring over the marriage document, and while it's difficult to read the words, I can at least confirm for you that this is in fact the marriage document of Lejbus Vaserman and Ester Ruchle Finkelshtajn.
The first line reads approximately:
Please sit down and join us, the eighteenth (thirtieth) of November, eighteen hundred ninety two, ten o’clock at night.
[The parenthesis probably indicated the Gregorian date, since Russia's Orthodox Church still to this day uses the Julian calendar, which before 1900, was off by 12 days from the Gregorian calendar and after 1900 was off by 13 days).
These are the first 4 lines of the document when you translate them.
After the first sentence, there are several mentions of Lejbus Vaserman and Ester Ruchle Finkelshtajn. The number twenty-something is mentioned once or twice... and whether this refers to their age, I'm not sure but can hypothesize that it does, but it's hard to tell without the context. Lejbus is mentioned along with 22 years. (It's possible he was born in December, if he was born in 1869).
As for the words on the side of the document, the only thing I can tell you for sure is that the word directly underneath the "(a)" and "(b)" is "born". Now, what the numbers before 1869 and 1871 are, I have no idea. And I also can't tell which year is referring to which person. Although, within the document, there is (a), and it is beside Lejbus' name, and a (b) that is near Ester's name. There is a likely connection.
The remainder is likely a dowry being listed, but I can't say for sure since I can neither read nor understand the other words.
I'm sorry that I couldn't provide much more information, but I am not a native Russian, I just happen to know how to read... not very well I may add. But I truly wish you luck in deciphering this document.
Warm Regards,
Larry Brikman
Toronto, Canada
On Dec 17, 2004 Larry Brikman wrote again with the following:
Dear Peter,
You're right... I do feel good. :-)
But other than that, I went back to look at the marriage certificate, and finally started to understand the handwriting a bit. I got some more information for you.
Here's what it looks like approximately line by line:
1-4: Please sit down and join us, the eighteenth (thirtieth) of November, eighteen hundred ninety two, ten o’clock at night.
5: …position of Rabbi (of the)? synagogue Raphil Kerma…
6:
7: Lejbus Vaserman a bachelor who is twenty-
8: two years old (a) from the (station in life) of a
9: cattle-hide shoemaker [?] ...
10-11: we call the son of Rakhlmil [?] and Lai [Leah?] Golde nee Flyajsher [Fleisher] wived
12: Vaserman and Ester Rukhle Finkelshtajn
13: maiden of twenty years old from the (station in life) (b)
14: … we call upon the daughter of the late Gershek and the living
15: Chai nee Finkelstajn
16: wived Finkelshtajn...
17: ...witnesses[?] Haskel Kuperberg
18: sixty eight years old and Itska Abetba…a
19: sixty one years old
So, I can confirm the parents names, except for Lai Flyajsher because I finally realized what the word between Lai and Flyajsher was -- Golde.
And just an explanation of how I wrote this. Anything in [***] is my personal commentary. Gershek, is basically the same as Hershek... in Russian there is no 'h' sound except for the phlegm-like 'kh' as in Khannukah. In Hebrew, there are three 'h' sounds, so it had to be transliterated into Russian with a 'g'. If someone's last name was Hoffman, in Russian it would be spelt 'Goffman'.
As for the wording, wived was the best word I could come up with for 'married and took the surname of'. So in the case of your Chai Finkelshtajn, both her maiden name and husband's last name were the same. That very well could mean that they were cousins (which was far too often a customary practice in those days that the Rabbis smiled upon... if only they understood genetics)
All of my spelling for names is transliterated. The reason I spell the surname "Flyajsher" is because in Russian it is spelt: F-L-YA-J-SH-E-R. And her name is not Estera, it's Ester Ruchle, because that is how the name is conjugated within the sentence. Kind of like how we add " 's " to show possession, ie. Larry's, in Russian you add endings depending on how you use the name within a sentence.
So, I think that's all. I'll see what I can do about the bottom half, but I'm pretty sure there's no real valuable information down there. Out of curiousity, do you know what city they got married in?
All the best,
Larry Brikman
Toronto, Canada
About 2 years later, (on Dec 11, 2004) I received the marriage record obtained from Radom (Archiwum Panstwowe w Radomiu) via JRI-P. It is written in Cyrillic and I cannot translate this yet. In margin it does have dates 1969 and 1871 which must be birth dates of bride and groom. Thie dates are new information.
Dec 14, 2004 I received the following unsigned translation (from dprice@sympatico.ca) of the document, by sending the jpeg file to Jewishgen’s ViewMate:
Dear Peter:
I translated the 3 Zwolen films for JRI. I am attaching what I typed if your computer can handle it. I hope you get more records from it.
5191,5192
marriage of Lejbus WASERMAN age 22 son of Rachmil and Lai FLJAJSZER to Estera Ruchlja FINKELSZTAJN age 20 daughter of the late Herszek and Chai
5193
birth of Jojzen PAL son of Szmul age 19 of the town Baranow and Ena? SZPERLING
Dec 15, 2004- I received the following:
Dear Peter,
I've tried labouring over the marriage document, and while it's difficult to read the words, I can at least confirm for you that this is in fact the marriage document of Lejbus Vaserman and Ester Ruchle Finkelshtajn.
The first line reads approximately:
Please sit down and join us, the eighteenth (thirtieth) of November, eighteen hundred ninety two, ten o’clock at night.
[The parenthesis probably indicated the Gregorian date, since Russia's Orthodox Church still to this day uses the Julian calendar, which before 1900, was off by 12 days from the Gregorian calendar and after 1900 was off by 13 days).
These are the first 4 lines of the document when you translate them.
After the first sentence, there are several mentions of Lejbus Vaserman and Ester Ruchle Finkelshtajn. The number twenty-something is mentioned once or twice... and whether this refers to their age, I'm not sure but can hypothesize that it does, but it's hard to tell without the context. Lejbus is mentioned along with 22 years. (It's possible he was born in December, if he was born in 1869).
As for the words on the side of the document, the only thing I can tell you for sure is that the word directly underneath the "(a)" and "(b)" is "born". Now, what the numbers before 1869 and 1871 are, I have no idea. And I also can't tell which year is referring to which person. Although, within the document, there is (a), and it is beside Lejbus' name, and a (b) that is near Ester's name. There is a likely connection.
The remainder is likely a dowry being listed, but I can't say for sure since I can neither read nor understand the other words.
I'm sorry that I couldn't provide much more information, but I am not a native Russian, I just happen to know how to read... not very well I may add. But I truly wish you luck in deciphering this document.
Warm Regards,
Larry Brikman
Toronto, Canada
On Dec 17, 2004 Larry Brikman wrote again with the following:
Dear Peter,
You're right... I do feel good. :-)
But other than that, I went back to look at the marriage certificate, and finally started to understand the handwriting a bit. I got some more information for you.
Here's what it looks like approximately line by line:
1-4: Please sit down and join us, the eighteenth (thirtieth) of November, eighteen hundred ninety two, ten o’clock at night.
5: …position of Rabbi (of the)? synagogue Raphil Kerma…
6:
7: Lejbus Vaserman a bachelor who is twenty-
8: two years old (a) from the (station in life) of a
9: cattle-hide shoemaker [?] ...
10-11: we call the son of Rakhlmil [?] and Lai [Leah?] Golde nee Flyajsher [Fleisher] wived
12: Vaserman and Ester Rukhle Finkelshtajn
13: maiden of twenty years old from the (station in life) (b)
14: … we call upon the daughter of the late Gershek and the living
15: Chai nee Finkelstajn
16: wived Finkelshtajn...
17: ...witnesses[?] Haskel Kuperberg
18: sixty eight years old and Itska Abetba…a
19: sixty one years old
So, I can confirm the parents names, except for Lai Flyajsher because I finally realized what the word between Lai and Flyajsher was -- Golde.
And just an explanation of how I wrote this. Anything in [***] is my personal commentary. Gershek, is basically the same as Hershek... in Russian there is no 'h' sound except for the phlegm-like 'kh' as in Khannukah. In Hebrew, there are three 'h' sounds, so it had to be transliterated into Russian with a 'g'. If someone's last name was Hoffman, in Russian it would be spelt 'Goffman'.
As for the wording, wived was the best word I could come up with for 'married and took the surname of'. So in the case of your Chai Finkelshtajn, both her maiden name and husband's last name were the same. That very well could mean that they were cousins (which was far too often a customary practice in those days that the Rabbis smiled upon... if only they understood genetics)
All of my spelling for names is transliterated. The reason I spell the surname "Flyajsher" is because in Russian it is spelt: F-L-YA-J-SH-E-R. And her name is not Estera, it's Ester Ruchle, because that is how the name is conjugated within the sentence. Kind of like how we add " 's " to show possession, ie. Larry's, in Russian you add endings depending on how you use the name within a sentence.
So, I think that's all. I'll see what I can do about the bottom half, but I'm pretty sure there's no real valuable information down there. Out of curiousity, do you know what city they got married in?
All the best,
Larry Brikman
Toronto, Canada
245. “Zwolen Birth Microfilm Records Translated by D Price for JRI-P,” 2004, zwolen,b.xls saved in my computer.
Record 3146 records the birth of a LEJBUS WASSERMAN in 1869 in Zwolen (Akt 25).
Parents were Rachmil (age 31) and CHAJA GOLDA FLAJSZER (also age 31). The microfilm this is from is 1201358. At this point (16 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Record 3818 records the birth of a CHAWA WASERMAN in 1876 in Zwolen (Akt 45).
Parents were Rachmil (age 38) and LAJA GOLDA FLASZER (also age 38). The microfilm this is from is 1201358. At this point (16 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Record 494 records the birth of a RACHMIL WASSERMAN in 1837 in Zwolen (Akt 4).
Parents were Abrahm Lejbusiowicz (age 24) and JACHETA BERKOW (age 23). The microfilm this is from is 716374. At this point (16 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Record 2892 records the birth of a ABRAM JOSEK WASSERMAN in 1866 in Zwolen (Akt 57).
Parents were RACHMIL (age 29) and LAJA GOLDA FLAJSZMAN (age 29). The microfilm this is from is 1201357. At this point (16 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Record 1671 records the birth of a HINDA WASERMAN in 1853 in Zwolen (Akt 69).
Parents were Abrahm (age 39) and JACHFET BERKOW (age 35). The microfilm this is from is 716375. At this point (16 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Record 3789 records the birth of a KAJLA GOLDFARB in 1876 in Zwolen (Akt 16).
Parents were SZULIM ICEK GOLDFARB (age 28) and HINDA WASERMAN (age 23). The microfilm this is from is 1201358. At this point (17 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate. There is a problem with this relationship to our Hinda Waserman since the marriege record of this Hinda to Szulim shows different parents for Hinda (see footnote 349).
Record 1206 records the birth of a SZULIM ICEK GOLDFARB in 1848 in Zwolen (Akt 17). Parents were ELA ABRAMOWICZ GOLDFARB (age 40) and KAJLA JAKUBOW (age 36). The microfilm this is from is 716374. At this point (17 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Record 116 records the birth of a CHAJA FINKELSTAJN in 1827 in Zwolen (Akt 32).
Parents were MOSIEK HERSZKOWICZ (age 34) and CYWA JOSKOW (age 32). The microfilm this is from is 716373. At this point (17 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Listed under matronyms and patronyms, these are also children of Rachmil Abramowicz (Was(s)erman) and Golda Szulimow (Flaszer):
Line 1862 JENTA Akt 13 b. 1857 Parents were born ca 1837 and 1837 film 716375
LINE 2000 LAJA Akt 78 b. 1858 Parents were born ca 1836 and 1836 film 716375
LINE Ryfka Fajga Akt 101 b. 1861 Parents were born ca 1839 and 1841 film
LINE 2481 Ita Perla Akt 10 b. 1863 Parents were born ca 1837 and 1843 film
LINE 2652 MARYA Akt 81 b. 1864 Parents were born ca 1834 and 1838 film 716376
Record 328 and 329 record the births of a HERSZEK and SERKA FINKELSTAJN in 1833 in Zwolen (Akts 2 and 2.5).
Parents were MOSIEK HERSZKOWICZ (age 30) and CYWA JOSKOW (age 29). The microfilm this is from is 716373. At this point (17 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Record 488 records the birth of a RACHMIL FINKELSTAJN in 1836 in Zwolen (Akt 34).
Parents were MOSIEK HERSZKOWICZ (age 30) and CYWA JOSKOW (age 26). The microfilm this is from is 716374. At this point (17 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Record 3402 records the birth of a ESTERA RUCHLA FINKELSTAJN in 1871 in Zwolen (Akt 38).
Parents were HERSZK (age 40) and CHAJA SURA FINKELSTAJN (age 36). The microfilm this is from is 1201358. At this point (17 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Record 3146 records the birth of a LEJBUS WASSERMAN in 1869 in Zwolen (Akt 25).
Parents were Rachmil (age 31) and CHAJA GOLDA FLAJSZER (also age 31). The microfilm this is from is 1201358. At this point (16 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Record 3818 records the birth of a CHAWA WASERMAN in 1876 in Zwolen (Akt 45).
Parents were Rachmil (age 38) and LAJA GOLDA FLASZER (also age 38). The microfilm this is from is 1201358. At this point (16 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Record 494 records the birth of a RACHMIL WASSERMAN in 1837 in Zwolen (Akt 4).
Parents were Abrahm Lejbusiowicz (age 24) and JACHETA BERKOW (age 23). The microfilm this is from is 716374. At this point (16 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Record 2892 records the birth of a ABRAM JOSEK WASSERMAN in 1866 in Zwolen (Akt 57).
Parents were RACHMIL (age 29) and LAJA GOLDA FLAJSZMAN (age 29). The microfilm this is from is 1201357. At this point (16 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Record 1671 records the birth of a HINDA WASERMAN in 1853 in Zwolen (Akt 69).
Parents were Abrahm (age 39) and JACHFET BERKOW (age 35). The microfilm this is from is 716375. At this point (16 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Record 3789 records the birth of a KAJLA GOLDFARB in 1876 in Zwolen (Akt 16).
Parents were SZULIM ICEK GOLDFARB (age 28) and HINDA WASERMAN (age 23). The microfilm this is from is 1201358. At this point (17 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate. There is a problem with this relationship to our Hinda Waserman since the marriege record of this Hinda to Szulim shows different parents for Hinda (see footnote 349).
Record 1206 records the birth of a SZULIM ICEK GOLDFARB in 1848 in Zwolen (Akt 17). Parents were ELA ABRAMOWICZ GOLDFARB (age 40) and KAJLA JAKUBOW (age 36). The microfilm this is from is 716374. At this point (17 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Record 116 records the birth of a CHAJA FINKELSTAJN in 1827 in Zwolen (Akt 32).
Parents were MOSIEK HERSZKOWICZ (age 34) and CYWA JOSKOW (age 32). The microfilm this is from is 716373. At this point (17 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Listed under matronyms and patronyms, these are also children of Rachmil Abramowicz (Was(s)erman) and Golda Szulimow (Flaszer):
Line 1862 JENTA Akt 13 b. 1857 Parents were born ca 1837 and 1837 film 716375
LINE 2000 LAJA Akt 78 b. 1858 Parents were born ca 1836 and 1836 film 716375
LINE Ryfka Fajga Akt 101 b. 1861 Parents were born ca 1839 and 1841 film
LINE 2481 Ita Perla Akt 10 b. 1863 Parents were born ca 1837 and 1843 film
LINE 2652 MARYA Akt 81 b. 1864 Parents were born ca 1834 and 1838 film 716376
Record 328 and 329 record the births of a HERSZEK and SERKA FINKELSTAJN in 1833 in Zwolen (Akts 2 and 2.5).
Parents were MOSIEK HERSZKOWICZ (age 30) and CYWA JOSKOW (age 29). The microfilm this is from is 716373. At this point (17 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Record 488 records the birth of a RACHMIL FINKELSTAJN in 1836 in Zwolen (Akt 34).
Parents were MOSIEK HERSZKOWICZ (age 30) and CYWA JOSKOW (age 26). The microfilm this is from is 716374. At this point (17 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
Record 3402 records the birth of a ESTERA RUCHLA FINKELSTAJN in 1871 in Zwolen (Akt 38).
Parents were HERSZK (age 40) and CHAJA SURA FINKELSTAJN (age 36). The microfilm this is from is 1201358. At this point (17 Dec 2004) I do not have the original certificate.
246. “Written Notes found in Sid Garfinkel’s Study. Original source possibly Josef Sigelman.,” September 2005.
Original source of this information given to Sid is probably Joseph Sigelman. Data in this note is not always used in my records if other data is present and conflicts with this. I have taken the birth order here to be the most trusted since Josph was likely to know this better than dates. Dad’s notes appeared to have been added to later as earlier stuff is in pencil and later stuff is in pen.
Helen’s mother Yachad Wasserman
Father Leibush Wasserman born Zwolen, Poland about 1870?
Mother Ester Ruchel __?__ born _____ _____ about1870?
Sisters and Brothers
1. Chage Sarah born in Zwolen about 1892
2. Helen’s mother born in Zwolen about 1896
3. Shaindel born in Zwolen in 1896
4. Herschel born in Zwolen in 1898
5. Sholem born in Zwolen in 1900
6. Ella born in Zwolen or Warsaw in 1910
7. Gitel (Giselle) born in Zwolen or Warsaw in 1913
Helen’s mother’s father was a shoemaker, mover from Zwolen to Warsaw. Died about 50 (I used this age in Reunion records).
Helen’s mother’s mother died about 1924 in Warsaw. (I used this date also).
Sister #1 Chage Sarah deported to crematory (can’t make out Sid’s writing???) auschwitz in 194_. Married a brother of Helen’s father named Yankel Walter. He died at 86 in Paris about 1986. Children (1) Golda born about 1915 in Warsaw (2) Regine born about 1919 in Warsaw and died in U.S. in 1993. (3) Soloman born 1923 in Warsaw. Deported to Auswitz 1941. (4) Giselle born 1923 Deported to Auschwitz in 1942. (5) Robert born in Warsaw in 1926. Now living in Paris. (6) Leon born in Paris in 1934. Deported to Auschwitz in 1942.
Sister #2 Helen’s mother Yachad born in Zwolen died in the U. S. (1) Jean (Regina) (2) Sophie (3) Helen (4) Ralph
Helen’s mother married Yidel Walter came from PAWISKI near Warsaw. Born ?. Fled to U. S. Helen’s father was a brother of Yankel Walter, husband of sister Chage Sarah.
Sister #3 Shaindel died in 1950 in Paris. Married Moshe Spigelman. Born in Kuznitz, Poland in 1896. He died 1968 in Paris. (1) Joseph Spigelman born in Warsaw in January 1921. Living in Paris. (2) Yitla born in Warsaw 1922. Yitla lives in Paris. (3) Ruchel born 1926 in Warsaw. Ruchel lives in Paris.
Brother #4 Herschel deported to Auschwitz in 1942. Mariied Perel who was born 1900 in Poland. (1) son Henri born 1926 and lives in Paris. (2) daughter Olga born in 1934. Lives in Paris. (3) Benyamin born in Warsaw in 1920. He died 1933 in Paris.
Brother #5 Schulem deported to Auschwitz with wife? and 3 small children in 1942 (all daughters).
Brother #6 Ella died 1976? in Paris. Married Neshka born in about 1911 in ?. Died about 1977? in Paris.
Sister #7 Gitel lives in Paris. Married Henri Gutnik. Born 1910 in Russian [ I think - can’t read his writing] Poland. Lives in Paris. (1) Son Leon born 1933. Lives in Paris (2) Rose born in 1942? in Sarlat, France. Lives in Paris.
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Brother #6 Ella 1911-1976
Married Nescha born 1911 died 1977?
No children
Sister #7 Gital 1910 Living in Paris
Married Henri Gutnik
Children
1) Leon
Son Fabril
Son name unknown
2) Rose
Son and Daughter
Asked Josef when Sister #1 Chage Sarah born and died. He says she died at 86 in 1986. Doesn’t jive (can’t make out with certainty).
He says Chage Sarah {beyond this point dad’s writing is crypticbut doesn’t seem to be talking about new information]
Original source of this information given to Sid is probably Joseph Sigelman. Data in this note is not always used in my records if other data is present and conflicts with this. I have taken the birth order here to be the most trusted since Josph was likely to know this better than dates. Dad’s notes appeared to have been added to later as earlier stuff is in pencil and later stuff is in pen.
Helen’s mother Yachad Wasserman
Father Leibush Wasserman born Zwolen, Poland about 1870?
Mother Ester Ruchel __?__ born _____ _____ about1870?
Sisters and Brothers
1. Chage Sarah born in Zwolen about 1892
2. Helen’s mother born in Zwolen about 1896
3. Shaindel born in Zwolen in 1896
4. Herschel born in Zwolen in 1898
5. Sholem born in Zwolen in 1900
6. Ella born in Zwolen or Warsaw in 1910
7. Gitel (Giselle) born in Zwolen or Warsaw in 1913
Helen’s mother’s father was a shoemaker, mover from Zwolen to Warsaw. Died about 50 (I used this age in Reunion records).
Helen’s mother’s mother died about 1924 in Warsaw. (I used this date also).
Sister #1 Chage Sarah deported to crematory (can’t make out Sid’s writing???) auschwitz in 194_. Married a brother of Helen’s father named Yankel Walter. He died at 86 in Paris about 1986. Children (1) Golda born about 1915 in Warsaw (2) Regine born about 1919 in Warsaw and died in U.S. in 1993. (3) Soloman born 1923 in Warsaw. Deported to Auswitz 1941. (4) Giselle born 1923 Deported to Auschwitz in 1942. (5) Robert born in Warsaw in 1926. Now living in Paris. (6) Leon born in Paris in 1934. Deported to Auschwitz in 1942.
Sister #2 Helen’s mother Yachad born in Zwolen died in the U. S. (1) Jean (Regina) (2) Sophie (3) Helen (4) Ralph
Helen’s mother married Yidel Walter came from PAWISKI near Warsaw. Born ?. Fled to U. S. Helen’s father was a brother of Yankel Walter, husband of sister Chage Sarah.
Sister #3 Shaindel died in 1950 in Paris. Married Moshe Spigelman. Born in Kuznitz, Poland in 1896. He died 1968 in Paris. (1) Joseph Spigelman born in Warsaw in January 1921. Living in Paris. (2) Yitla born in Warsaw 1922. Yitla lives in Paris. (3) Ruchel born 1926 in Warsaw. Ruchel lives in Paris.
Brother #4 Herschel deported to Auschwitz in 1942. Mariied Perel who was born 1900 in Poland. (1) son Henri born 1926 and lives in Paris. (2) daughter Olga born in 1934. Lives in Paris. (3) Benyamin born in Warsaw in 1920. He died 1933 in Paris.
Brother #5 Schulem deported to Auschwitz with wife? and 3 small children in 1942 (all daughters).
Brother #6 Ella died 1976? in Paris. Married Neshka born in about 1911 in ?. Died about 1977? in Paris.
Sister #7 Gitel lives in Paris. Married Henri Gutnik. Born 1910 in Russian [ I think - can’t read his writing] Poland. Lives in Paris. (1) Son Leon born 1933. Lives in Paris (2) Rose born in 1942? in Sarlat, France. Lives in Paris.
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Brother #6 Ella 1911-1976
Married Nescha born 1911 died 1977?
No children
Sister #7 Gital 1910 Living in Paris
Married Henri Gutnik
Children
1) Leon
Son Fabril
Son name unknown
2) Rose
Son and Daughter
Asked Josef when Sister #1 Chage Sarah born and died. He says she died at 86 in 1986. Doesn’t jive (can’t make out with certainty).
He says Chage Sarah {beyond this point dad’s writing is crypticbut doesn’t seem to be talking about new information]
247. Lea.
Paula’s last name came from Lea who seny the following emails:
Dear Sir,
I am writing you due my father in law ask me for looking for his family in France.
Hi name is Yehushua Drosman ( or for French: Doresman) and leaves in Israel.Also his family (Wasserman) came from Poland.
I was looking for Olga Wasserman who get married with Habib, and was used to leave in Paris, Parmentier Street; Ouri ( or Uri) Wasserman, who lived in the surbub of Paris and Paula Wasserman, who, I know died in France.
What I was asking me is if there is a possibility that these people came from your family.
Currently, my father in law is searching some relatives to the family of Benyamin Doresman ( Drosman), who is buried in Cimetiere Bagneux le Parisien in France, from the Wasserman side ( died younger - 37 years old and had 2 children Zvi and Yeoushua).
If one of your relatives, in case they come from the same family, known where Paula Wasserman buried and/ or are in touch with Olga Wasserman ( Habib), Ouri Wasserman and Ouri Kooper schmidt ( not sure of the spelling), could as be in touch with us ASAP.
This is very important for him due his son Benyamin Drosman will get married and need to be close to this part of family.
When Benyamin Doresman ( Drosman died, Yehushua was only 4 years old).
Thank you in advance for your attention.
Faithfully yours,
Lea.
Good Morning Pete,
Following your informations, so I am almost sure that we are from the same family due they were in relation long time ago with Olga Wassermann who married with Sam Habib, and came also from Warsaw in Poland.
What I have understood from him that one Drosman got married with one Wasserman.
If those elements could help you, note that Yehushua Drosman got married with Rivka Dagnut and have 3 chidren: Hagit (who got married with Ron 10 years ago - I will confirm you her new family name later), Benyamin (whith whom I will get married on February, 14th, 2007) and Sarah (Sarit).
This family leaves in Israel, in Kfar Saba.
I currently transmit all these informations to my family in law.
Rivka, please transmit all these informations to Yehusha in order to confirm these elemnts to Pete. I know that he is waiting for this ASAP. He asked me two days ago to find Olga Habib in Paris and wanted to obtain addresses and phone numbers that he could found hereafter.
Pete, thank you very much once again of your prompt answer. This will be a such surpise for him. Note also that they have a huge family in New York and Canada.
Faithfully yours.
I have just talked to my father in law and I am able to confirm you these elements.
The initial family name of Paula was DROSMAN. She was the sister of Benjamin Drosman who buried in Paris, cimetiere Bagneux le Parisien under the name of Benjamin DORESMAN ( mistake in the spelling from the French administration).
Hoping that this one will help you.
Faithfully yours,
Lea.
Paula’s last name came from Lea who seny the following emails:
Dear Sir,
I am writing you due my father in law ask me for looking for his family in France.
Hi name is Yehushua Drosman ( or for French: Doresman) and leaves in Israel.Also his family (Wasserman) came from Poland.
I was looking for Olga Wasserman who get married with Habib, and was used to leave in Paris, Parmentier Street; Ouri ( or Uri) Wasserman, who lived in the surbub of Paris and Paula Wasserman, who, I know died in France.
What I was asking me is if there is a possibility that these people came from your family.
Currently, my father in law is searching some relatives to the family of Benyamin Doresman ( Drosman), who is buried in Cimetiere Bagneux le Parisien in France, from the Wasserman side ( died younger - 37 years old and had 2 children Zvi and Yeoushua).
If one of your relatives, in case they come from the same family, known where Paula Wasserman buried and/ or are in touch with Olga Wasserman ( Habib), Ouri Wasserman and Ouri Kooper schmidt ( not sure of the spelling), could as be in touch with us ASAP.
This is very important for him due his son Benyamin Drosman will get married and need to be close to this part of family.
When Benyamin Doresman ( Drosman died, Yehushua was only 4 years old).
Thank you in advance for your attention.
Faithfully yours,
Lea.
Good Morning Pete,
Following your informations, so I am almost sure that we are from the same family due they were in relation long time ago with Olga Wassermann who married with Sam Habib, and came also from Warsaw in Poland.
What I have understood from him that one Drosman got married with one Wasserman.
If those elements could help you, note that Yehushua Drosman got married with Rivka Dagnut and have 3 chidren: Hagit (who got married with Ron 10 years ago - I will confirm you her new family name later), Benyamin (whith whom I will get married on February, 14th, 2007) and Sarah (Sarit).
This family leaves in Israel, in Kfar Saba.
I currently transmit all these informations to my family in law.
Rivka, please transmit all these informations to Yehusha in order to confirm these elemnts to Pete. I know that he is waiting for this ASAP. He asked me two days ago to find Olga Habib in Paris and wanted to obtain addresses and phone numbers that he could found hereafter.
Pete, thank you very much once again of your prompt answer. This will be a such surpise for him. Note also that they have a huge family in New York and Canada.
Faithfully yours.
I have just talked to my father in law and I am able to confirm you these elements.
The initial family name of Paula was DROSMAN. She was the sister of Benjamin Drosman who buried in Paris, cimetiere Bagneux le Parisien under the name of Benjamin DORESMAN ( mistake in the spelling from the French administration).
Hoping that this one will help you.
Faithfully yours,
Lea.
249. Ship Manifest.
The manifest is typed.
Name: Walter, Ruchla
Ethnicity: Poland, Hebrew
Residence: Warschau, Poland
Arrival date: 28 Apr 1923
Age: 22y
Sex: F
Marital Status: S
Ship: Veendam
Sailing from: Rotterdam, South Holland, The Netherlands
To stay with brother Pinchos Walter at 60 Jasnes Street NY
It says the name of closest relative is: Mother, Sara Walter, Stawki,49/25, Warschau, Poland
Place of Birth was Warschau, Poland
The manifest is typed.
Name: Walter, Ruchla
Ethnicity: Poland, Hebrew
Residence: Warschau, Poland
Arrival date: 28 Apr 1923
Age: 22y
Sex: F
Marital Status: S
Ship: Veendam
Sailing from: Rotterdam, South Holland, The Netherlands
To stay with brother Pinchos Walter at 60 Jasnes Street NY
It says the name of closest relative is: Mother, Sara Walter, Stawki,49/25, Warschau, Poland
Place of Birth was Warschau, Poland
250. “Photograph.”
A photograph (attached to this record) was found among Helen and Sids Photo on Jul 10, 2020. The were three names on it followed by 1954. The first name was cut off. 2nd name was Sid Garfinkel and the 3rd was “Ben Sable”. Shelley and I don’t know him but he looks to me like the photograph I have of the spouse of Ruchel Walter. We know that Ruchel’s spouses first name was Ben but not his last name. Later on Shelley said this cannot be her “Uncle Ben”.
File: unknownSidandBenSable1954
A photograph (attached to this record) was found among Helen and Sids Photo on Jul 10, 2020. The were three names on it followed by 1954. The first name was cut off. 2nd name was Sid Garfinkel and the 3rd was “Ben Sable”. Shelley and I don’t know him but he looks to me like the photograph I have of the spouse of Ruchel Walter. We know that Ruchel’s spouses first name was Ben but not his last name. Later on Shelley said this cannot be her “Uncle Ben”.
File: unknownSidandBenSable1954