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51. Sailed on the Blucher from Hamburg Dec 30, 1911 and arrived in NY (Ellis Island) Jan 9, 1912 was 38 year old Berioch Garfinkel, a joiner who could not read or write, from Mielec where his wife Beile Garfinkel was living. He was going to live with a brother in law Adolf Hamburger. Berioch was born in Mielec. (Who is Adolf Hamburger- a new husband of his sister?)
52. She was born in one of these and later lived in the other according to Sidney Garfinkel-he couldn't remember it exactly.
53. Ship Manifest records found at LDS FHS, Sept 6, 2000. SS America sailing from Bremen, Sept 24 to NY arriving Oct 6, 1923. Listed on line 5 is David Walter, 32 years old, a tailor from Poland who reads and writes Hebrew. His last permanent residence was Berlin. He left his mother, given as Czype Walter, in Warsaw according to the manifest. He had only $15 with his passage paid for by his brother- Philipp Walter 40 Jennes Ste. Newark, NJ. He was 5 ft 6in with black hair and brown eyes and was born in Powgski, Poland.
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Email received 10/16/00
Dear Pete,

Though I am living in Pretoria, South Africa, I have spent 24 years of my life in Warsaw, Poland.
In Polish language there is a letter "a" with a small coma at "a" (looks like you would join a, together). For many people this may look like g, unless they know of this uncommon letter of the Polish alphabet.
Should this be the case with your question it would be rather Powazki
pronounced something like povounski. This is a big suburb in Warsaw where there is the oldest catholic graveyard. Next to it is a biggest Jewish graveyard probably in the whole Europe. I know for sure that many Jews used
to live in vicinity. During 2nd WW the Jewish cemetery was just next to Warsaw ghetto.
I do not know if it helps you a bit with your question, but this may be one of possibilities.
Than
Peter
[planecki@global.co.za]
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2000 19:14:57 +0200
From: Peter Lanecki <planecki@global.co.za>
54. Citizenship Documents for David Walter, April 1 2005, Peter Dreifuss, US Department of Homeland Security, exact date of David’s birth.
I received five pages on the Citizenship of David Walter from them:
1 Index card with address
2 Certificate of Citizenship with his picture (Nov 17 1930)
3 Petition for Citizenship (Jan 1 1925)
4 Declaration of Intention (Oct 10 1925)
5 Aug 19 1930 serch for records

1. Index card gave a number 3236698 and a written code W436. Also his name, residing at 91 Lewin Street, NYC age 39 years with date of admission and date of certificate-both were Nov 17 1930. US District Court at NYC, NY Petition number 170324.

2.Certificate of Citizenship no. 3236698. Petition number 170324. Has his picture and signature. Date November 17, 1930.
Age 39 years. 5 feet 6 inches weight 150 lbs. Married, hebrew race and former nationality Poland. Residing at 91 Lewin Street NYC.

3. Petition for Citizenship for David Walter. Says I was born in Warsaw Poland May 6 1891. I declared my intention to become a citizen of the United States on Jan 11, 1924. I am married . The name of my wife or husband is Yetta. We were married on Nov 2, 1914 in Warsaw Poland. She? entered the United States on Oct 10, 1925 (does not agree). I have 4 children: Virginia b July 27???, 1918. Sophie b. Nov 25, 1919, Helen April 27, 1923 in Germany, and Ralph b. July 6, 1929 in NY. My last foreign residence was Warsaw Poland and emigrated via Bremen Germany. I entered the United States on October 6, 1923 (Agrees) on the vessel America.
Witnesses were Yetta Weinerman of 85 Lewis Street, NY, NY (a housewife) and Phillip Gross (Rose’s father) of 283 Stanton St NY NY.

4.Declaration of Intention. He lived then (Jan 21, 1924) at 561 Littleton Avenue, Newark, NJ . Wife’s name is Yachet.
55. “1930 Census,” Manhatten NY District 149, 1930, Ancestry.com.
Living in an apartment renting for $20 per month were David (36 and first married at age 24, imm 1924), Yetta (34 and first married at age 22. imm 1925), Regina (11), Sophie (10), Helen (7), Ralph (9 months and only in family to be born in NY) and cousin Minnie Berkowitz (33, single and imm. 1923). Records indicate that the kids immigrated with Yetta in 1925 and that David immigrated 1924 and the Minnie immigrated 1923. All the women were marked Al for Aliens, whereas David was marked Pa(?).
David’s occupation is marked Proprietor in Cleaning Store. Minnie worked as a Hosiery maker in a Novelty factory.
56. “Death Certificate of David Walter,” December 3, 1939, Manhatten NY, Certificate Number 24616.
Note: I already had David’s date of death prior to receiving this record.
I received this Death Certificate on Dec 4, 2006 from NYC Municipal Archives, 31 Chambers Street New York, NY 10007
Usual Residence: 86 Lewis Street, Manhatten, NY
Wife: Yetta
Date of Birth: May 15, 1900 (I suspect this is wrong)
Age 39 yrs 6 mos and 18 days
Trade: Tailor (in a Tailor Store)
Bithplace: Russia
How long in US: 16 years (and in NYC too)
Name of Father: Israil (sic) and his birthplace: Russia
Maiden name of Mother: Sarah Feilen and her birthp[lace: Russia
Informant Signature: Samuel Sturm, son-in-law 22 Willett St NY
Cemetery: Beth David
Place of Death: Bellevue Hospital, Manhatten for 10 days
Death at 12:05 AM Dec 3, 1939
for some reason there is a blank for approximate age: 44 years
57. Citizenship Documents for David Walter, April 1 2005, Peter Dreifuss, US Department of Homeland Security.
I received five pages on the Citizenship of David Walter from them:
1 Index card with address
2 Certificate of Citizenship with his picture (Nov 17 1930)
3 Petition for Citizenship (Jan 1 1925)
4 Declaration of Intention (Oct 10 1925)
5 Aug 19 1930 serch for records

1. Index card gave a number 3236698 and a written code W436. Also his name, residing at 91 Lewin Street, NYC age 39 years with date of admission and date of certificate-both were Nov 17 1930. US District Court at NYC, NY Petition number 170324.

2.Certificate of Citizenship no. 3236698. Petition number 170324. Has his picture and signature. Date November 17, 1930.
Age 39 years. 5 feet 6 inches weight 150 lbs. Married, hebrew race and former nationality Poland. Residing at 91 Lewin Street NYC.

3. Petition for Citizenship for David Walter. Says I was born in Warsaw Poland May 6 1891. I declared my intention to become a citizen of the United States on Jan 11, 1924. I am married . The name of my wife or husband is Yetta. We were married on Nov 2, 1914 in Warsaw Poland. She? entered the United States on Oct 10, 1925 (does not agree). I have 4 children: Virginia b July 27???, 1918. Sophie b. Nov 25, 1919, Helen April 27, 1923 in Germany, and Ralph b. July 6, 1929 in NY. My last foreign residence was Warsaw Poland and emigrated via Bremen Germany. I entered the United States on October 6, 1923 (Agrees) on the vessel America.
Witnesses were Yetta Weinerman of 85 Lewis Street, NY, NY (a housewife) and Phillip Gross (Rose’s father) of 283 Stanton St NY NY.

4.Declaration of Intention. He lived then (Jan 21, 1924) at 561 Littleton Avenue, Newark, NJ . Wife’s name is Yachet.
58. “Standard Certifucate of Death, Department of Health of the City of New York,” Jan 13, 1938, Brooklyn, Certificate No 20541.
Obtained this certificate on or ~ Jul 15, 2015
Hospital: Adelphi Hospital
Benjaiin Garfinkel
Date of Birth 1873
Age: 64
Name of Father: Solomon
Birthplacew of Father Austria
Maiden name of mother: Fanny Frumet
her birthplace: Austria
Benjamin address: 2049 63rd St Brooklyn
Died: Jan 13, 1938 ~ 9:45 AM
Date of Burial: Mt Hebron Cemetery Jan 14, 1938
Files (2): BenjaminGarfinkelDeath1, BenjaminGarfinkelDeath2
59. “NY City Marriage Record via familysearch.org.”
Name
Louis Garfinkel
Event Type
Marriage
Event Date
29 Dec 1923
Event Place
Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Gender
Male
Age
24
Marital Status
Single
Race
White
Birth Year (Estimated)
1899
Birthplace
Austria
Father's Name
Benjamin Garfinkel
Mother's Name
Rosie Erhlich
Spouse's Name
Regina Tanzer
Spouse's Gender
Female
Spouse's Age
21
Spouse's Marital Status
Single
Spouse's Race
White
Spouse's Birth Year (Estimated)
1902
Spouse's Birthplace
Galicia, Austria
Spouse's Father's Name
David Tanzer
Spouse's Mother's Name
Mina Shulerer

CITING THIS RECORD
"New York, New York City Marriage Records, 1829-1940," database, FamilySearch(https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:247M-CDZ : 20 March 2015), Benjamin Garfinkel in entry for Louis Garfinkel and Regina Tanzer, 29 Dec 1923; citing Marriage, Manhattan, New York, New York, United States, New York City Municipal Archives, New York; FHL microfilm 1,643,074.
60. There are several Litovisk's. From research by Sidney Garfinkel, this one is about 10 miles inside present day Russian border on Polish/Russian border. Probably corresponds to Litovizh (WOWW book) which is in Ukraine rether than Litwiska (WOWW), which is in Poland.
61. Found ship records online for Leib Garfunkel, a 14 yr old male arrived on the Prinz Friedrich Wilhelm from Galicia arriving December 8, 1913. Departed from Southhampton, Southhamptonshire, England. Last permanent residnce was Mielec. Relative listed as Uncle Naftali Wolf of Mielec. Passage was paid for by father Going to live with father Garfinkel B of 38 Ave D. Height 4 ft 11 inches. Place of birth Mielec.
62. SS death records indicate Louis’ date of birth to be 2 July 1900.
63. “Immigration Records for Louis Garfinkel.”
These give Lutowisko as the town of birth for Louis
Files (2): LouisGarfinkelPetition, LouisGarfinkelDeclaration
64. “JRIP.”
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Aron Josef 
1887 

60 
 
 



 
 
 
 
 
Jakob Dawid TÄNZER

Mindel SCHULLERER
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Bezallel Juda 
1889 

20 
 
 



 
 
 
 
 
Jakob Dawid TÄNZER

Male Mindel SCHULLEHRER
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Gedalie Joel 
1891 

77 
 
 



 
 

 

 

Stok
 
 
 
Jakob Dawid TÄNZER

Slate Mindel SCHULLERER
 
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Temerl 
1893 

132 
 
 



 
 
 
 
 
Jakob Dawid TÄNZER

Mindel SCHULLEHRER
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Jonas 
1897 

40 
 
 



 
 
 
 
 
Jakob Dawid TÄNZER

Mindla SCHULLERER
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Debora 
1899 

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Jakob Dawid TÄNZER

Mindla SCHULLERER
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Ester Rifka 
1901 

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65. Birth and death dates are from Social Security Death Index of a Regina Garfunkel. The information that she died in her fifties (from Sid I think) is inconsistent.
The 1930 census records have her to be 21 years old, which would have her birthday to be ca 1909
66. On Sept 6, 2000 I found the ship manifest. The children came over on the SS Prinz Friedrich Wilhelm, which left Bremen on Nov 1 and arrived in the port of NY on November 11, 1913 (each page of the manifest for that ship lists Nov 11, but the tape header of that volumn said Nov 12, 1913).
Passengers were:
Frimet (Fanny) age 17; Feige (Frieda) age 11; Brucha (Bertha) age 9; Chancis (Ann) age 2. They were listed of Austrian Nationality and last permanent residence was Mielec Galicia. The name of nearest relative their homeland was Wolf, Naft., Mielec. Final destination was NY,NY with passage paid for by their father. They were to join father, Garfinkel B. 38 Ave D, New York. Fanny was 4ft 11in, Bertha and Frieda were 4 Ft even and no height list for Ann. they had black hair and brown eyes and the place of birth for all 4 was Mielec, Galicia.
Bertha’s SSDI records indicates she was actualy born 7 Jun 1903 and Barton says he has her birth certificate inicating she was born in Litowisk.Fanny’s grave gives her dates as born Jan 10, 1898 and died June 11, 1957
67. “1930 Federal Census,” E 102 St Manhatten NY, 1930, 8 Jan 2005.
1930 Federal Census finds Harry Sadt, age 40, Fanny (age 30), Frieda (age 8) and Helen (age 5) living in an apartment at 310 E 102 Street. Age at first marriage were 31 and 21 for Harry and Fanny. Harry was an Embroiderer in a factory.
68. Social Security Death Index Found:

Name: Harry Sadt
SSN: 061-05-5509
Last Residence: 10468 Bronx, Bronx, New York, United States of America
Born: 30 Sep 1885
Last Benefit: 10468 Bronx, Bronx, New York, United States of America
Died: Aug 1978
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (Before 1951 )
69. U.S. World War II Draft Registration Cards, 1942 Record
about Harry Sadt
Name: Harry Sadt
Birth Date: 30 Sep 1885
Residence: Kings, New York
Birth: Russia
Race: White
Roll: WW2_2370562

Harry cites Fanny as a preson who will always know his address
They lived at 2114 62 St Brooklyn NY at the time
70. U.S. Passport Applications, 1795-1925 Record for Harry Sadt, Ancestry.com.
71. New York City Groom and Bride Index Garfinkel   Jannie   to Harry Sadt May  9  1921  Certificate # 12197 (1921)  Manhattan  groom  FHL Roll # 1653134 
I sent away and obtained the record. Data is May 9 (or possibly 19) 1921 between Harry Sadt of 148 Ace C and Fannie Garfinkel 123 Ave. C (they lived on the same street). His occupation was “Mfgr” and was born in “Lodge” Ruussia ). This must be Lodz. His mother’s maiden name was Rifka Bornstein. His father’s name was Fishel. They were married at the Keshenov Cong. of ?
Fannie father was Benny and mother was Rossie Ehrlich- the first marriage for both.
72. “1930 US Federal Census,” Kings Co (Brooklyn) New York, April 14, 1930.
They lived on Van Buren Street in Brooklyn:
William Age 27 (25 when married) Immigrated 1921 A furniture Salesman
Freda Age 27 (25 when married) immigrated 1922
Harold age 4/12
By Willie and Frieda listed their births and those of their parents as being in Poland
73. “Affadavit for License to Marry and Marriage Certificate,” Dec 15, 1928, Manhatten, 30770, City of New York, Department of Records and Information.
I obtained these marriage records of ‘Willie Schwartz’ and Frieda Garfinkel. He was a Furier born in Galicia, Austria whose mother was Sylvia Bessen and father was Sam.. There was no indication is they ever came to the US. His residence was 441 E Houston
Frieda’s occupation was Millinerary and she was born in Galicia, Austria. Her parents were Benjamin and Rose Erlich. She lived at 123 Ave C.
74. Although this could be wrong, his son, Eli- said Joseph was 96 years old at his death. 1910-96=1814
However, more reliable indicators of his birth date are from the birth certificate of his daughter (Ester), which said he was 44 (in 1888) and from reference 464 which has him36 years old at his second wedding in Dec 1874.
75. Vol 5 No 1 of LANDSMEN gives Yussel’s first wife as Sora Wstega and marriage info. It says as far as towns related to him are Opechowo, Ostroleka and Lomza. This is in marriage records Act 40 of 1862.
Also REIP(Russian Era Indexing of Poland Project) lists marriage of Joszk Sznejder to Soro Wstenga in 1862 in Ostrolenka (Openchowo). AkT 40
JRI-Poland lists Ick Bendet Sznejder born 1877 (Akt 80) whose father was Juszk Herszkowicz of Ostrolenka.
76. See March 5 1999 letter from M Tobias. Relevant portion is extracted below(see also reference 137).
________________
As for the SZNAJDER's....

No firm connections yet I'm afraid.

Pete's great-grandfather Joszk did indeed marry his second wife Itka LEWITA in Lomza 1874. Her mother was Zelda DABEK (pronounced DOMBEK) so that is another family to trace Pete. Zelda's father was Gimpel and Gimpel's father was Lejb. The family came from Piontnica, less than a mile from Lomza.

Joszk SZNAJDER's parents were Herszk son of Wolf, and Szejna daughter of Szymek/Lejba and Badasza. Szejna died in Lomza in 1875 aged 60.

Pete's g-g-g-grandfather Wolf SZNAJDER would have been born in the late 18th century. This is about the same time that Arthur's g-g-g-grandfather Wolf SZNAJDER was born...... Could they be the same person?
This again assumes we have the correct family for Arthur. The Wolf junior I have found in Lomza in 1886 was the son of Abram-Ick who was the son of Judka (died Nowogrod 1876 aged 54) who was the son of Wolf.
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He later wrote:
Pete,

Sora WSTENGA/SZNAJDER died in 1874 #96. She was 38.
I know of 3 kids of Joszk and Sora:

Guta born 1865, died 1866
Lejba born ~1865, died 1873
Wolf born ~1866 died 1873

Looks like none of their kids survived.

Joszk remarried Itka LEWITA in 1874. She was born 1854 #3.

They had kids:

Enoch 1871 #165
Ick (Bendet) 1877 #80
Szlomo 1884 #411
Chaim 1884 #412

Itka LEWITA's parents were Ick BENDET and Zelda (nee DABEK). Now you
know who your grandfather was named after! Ick Bendet's father was
Szlomo.

And that is about it!

Let me know if you want any record copies (of these records I have
access to, or others from Poland) ........

He later wrote
__________________
In message <390f9a28.36e217a5@aol.com>, PeteDr@aol.com writes
>
>Mike-
>Thanks again for all the info. Some questions though
>
>>Sora WSTENGA/SZNAJDER died in 1874 #96. She was 38.
>>
>The numbers, like #96, are they Akt nos? From what town?

Yes, these are akt numbers - all from Lomza.

>>I know of 3 kids of Joszk and Sora:
>>
>>Guta born 1865, died 1866
>>Lejba born ~1865, died 1873
>>Wolf born ~1866 died 1873
>>
>>Looks like none of their kids survived.
>The problem with this is that I know my grandfather (Ick) had a half brother >(known as Alta) who came to US before Ick did. I presume that the Enoch (b >1871) was in fact Alta since he was born before Sora died and before Joszk married Itka.

Yes, he must be - sorry I put Enoch under the wrong family - he was indeed the son of Joszk and Sora.

>Is Ick the same name as the Jdzk provided earlier. How are they pronounced ?

Yes, Ick and Idzk and Jdzk are all variant forms of Isaac. Ick is pronounced Itsik or similar....

>>And that is about it!
>>
>>Let me know if you want any record copies (of these records I have >>access to, or others from Poland) ........
>Yes - are they copies of the original Polish records? How much would each >cost?

For the records I have on film here I would charge $2 each to cover copying/postage/travel etc. For records from Poland the costs are $10 each which includes an extract in English. Copies from Poland are available until 1895 and beyond that date only extracts area available ($5 each). If you prefer you can order extracts-only for pre 1896 too.

For some towns we can even get copies beyond 1895, but not for Lomza.

Let me know what you want. Please remember the copies from Poland are from a confidential source - please understand you must be very careful how you refer to this.

Regards
--
Michael
77. “M 35/1874Lomza Piatnica,” 10 June 2006, Word Document, translation provided by Andrzej Seler.
M 35/1874Lomza Piatnica

December 26, 1874. Marriage between Itka Ickowna LEWITA, age 21, daughter of Icek Szlamowicz and Zelda Gimplowna, a worker, and Juszko Gerszkowicz Sznajder, a widower, age 36, son of Gerszko Wulfowicz and Szejna Lejbowna.
78. From death certificate from State of NY Dept of Health otf the City of NY Bureau of Records, obtained by PAD on Ida Schneider born 1853; died June 8, 1925 at age 72. Occupation housewife born in Poland and in the US for 4 years. Buried Mt Zion Cemetery
But perhaps more reliable information is in reference 452 (B 3/1854) which gives the birth of Itka Lewita as January 18, 1854.
79. “Records of Lewita Family,” April 25, 2006, Microfilm Records obtained by A. Selerowicz in Lomza.
Records of Lewita family, all citizens from Piatnica, Lomza district, Poland

B 3/1854
January 18th, 1854. Birth of Itka Lewita, daughter of Idzk Szlamowicz, age 36, and Zelda Gimplowna nee Dabek, age 28.

D 85/1856
April 4th, 1856. Death of Chana Idzkowna Lewita, age 12, daughter of Idzko, a laborer, and Ryfka Fiszlowna.

D 101/1856
May 4th, 1856. Death of Idzko Szlomowicz, age 33, parents unknown, born in Stawiski. Leaves behind wife Ryfka Fiszlowna and dauther Itka.

B 53/1858
October, 23th, 1858. Birth of Sora Lewita, daughter of the late Idzk Szlamowicz, and Zelda Gimpel Idzkowa Lewita, age 30.

D 67/1859
September 11th, 1859. Death of Aron Lejb, age 6, son of Abram, a merchant, and Liba Rochla of Eliasz.

D 71/1859
September 22th, 1859. Death of Jankiel Moszek, age 2 years and 6 months, born in Lomza as a son of Abram, a merchant in Lomza, and Liba Rochla Eliaszow.

M 51/1859
September 28th, 1859. Marriage between the widower Lejzor Baszkier, age 19, from Stawiski, son of Herszel Joszkowicz and Szejna Mortkowna, and Zelda Lewita, a widow of late Szlomowicz Lewita.

M 60/1859
November 17th, 1859. Marriage between Berek Jankiel Jarzabek, age 20, a glazier from Lomza, born in Lomza as a son of Abram Joszkowicz and Sora Estera, and Golda Mortkowna Lewita, age 24, daughter of Mortka Chaimowicz and Rochla Lejbow from Sniadowo.


A. Selerowicz, April 25th, 2006
80. Ship SS Susquehanna arrived in Boston on February 7, 1921 sailing from Danzig carrying:
Itte Schnejder (marked senility) age65 , a widow
Chaim Schnejder (marked Farvis? recovered) age 37 a paper hanger
Chaja “ age 34 married male
Thet were from Lomza and had a friend there Joel Neumann at Stary Ryneck Z1 (or 21?)
They were going to live with Itte’s son Sam Schneider 55 Forythstr NYV

Note that Ida had come over earlier as she was a witness to Dora’s wedding on 26 Nov 1917
81. From JRIP, Akt #35 records of Lomza
82. 30 Jan 2016 and emails on 24 May 2020, 2nd cousin, confirmed.
Joni Miller was predicted to be 2nd cousin by 23andm.com. She is actual second cousin. She (jonimiller@live.com) wrote a brief message: “Hello,
Yes my Mom is Renae Schneider.  My grandfather was Alex Schneider.”
On 31 Jan 2017, she wrote,
Hi Cousin Pete,

“Thank you so much for the picture of my grandfather.  I shared it with my mom and sister, as well. 

 I was told that my grandfather was the youngest of 26 children.  When we moved to Tarzana my grandfather met one of his nephews Joe at the local deli that we frequented, by chance.  I don't remember any other Schneiders.

So to fill you in on the family tree:

My Poppy (everyone that knew Alex called him that) married my grandmother, Freida Straussberg.  They had two children Perry & Renae.  (I believe Perry is deceased.)

My Mom married Kenny Gould and had my older sister Nicki and myself.  When I was 4 1/2 (I am 53 now) we moved to Tarzana, CA (Los Angeles),  my grandparents came shortly after.

I live in Oak Park, CA and am married to Howard Miller and we have two children:  Samantha, 32 and Alex, 29.  Sam is married and lives in DC.  Alex and his fiance live in Newport Beach.  Waiting, not that patiently for grandchildren.  My mom and sister live in Palm Desert, CA.

Looking forward to keeping in touch.

Sincerely,
Joni

PS:  I cc'd Renae and Nicki”

nicki2004g@yahoo.com
renae.kawin@yahoo.com

On 24 May 2020 in series of emails with Joni, her mother (Renae) and sister I learned that although Alex and Frieda were divorced they remarried. I also learned that the child (Joseph) born in 1932 was Perry Joseph Schneider. Renae or Joni supplied birthday of 17 Apr 1931, 1 year before the date in the Petition for Naturalization in source reference 1151.
So the marriage sequence I derived from the information at hand was that they were first married 21 Jul 1931, divorced on a date before 24 Sep 1935, and then remarried 5 Jan 1937.
83. “Petition for Naturalization- Alex Schneider,” 24 Sep 1935, Brooklyn, NY.
Living at 312 South 4th St, Brooklyn, NY. Lasr residence was Lomza.He and wife Frieda were married in Brooklyn 21 Jul 1931 but are now divorced. She was born in Korov, Poland Dec 1900. Immigrated 20 Sep 1925. He and Frieda had a child Joseph born 17 Apr 1932 in Brooklyn who is now living with his mother. (Later in emails learned in ref 888 this was child known as Perry Joseph)
File: AlexSchneiderPetforNaturalization
84. U.S. WWII Draft Cards Young Men, 1940-1947 for Alex Schneider gives birthday of May 25, 1899 in Lomza, wife Frieda and other info.
File: AlexSchneiderDraftCardWWII
85. “Obituary for Alex Schneider,” LA Times, 16 Jan 1982.
File: Obituary_for_Alex_SCHNEIDER
86. Immigration of Alex Schneider to NT on SS Majestic 27 Mar 1928
Files (2): AlexSchneiderImm_1, AlexSchneiderImm_2
87. “Frieda Schneider- in the California, Death Index, 1940-1997.”
Frieda Schneider
 in the California, Death Index, 1940-1997

Name:
Frieda Schneider
[Frieda Strausberg] 
Social Security #:
072329892
Gender:
Female
Birth Date:
26 Dec 1906
Birth Place:
Other Country
Death Date:
23 Jul 1983
Death Place:
Los Angeles
Mother's Maiden Name:
Crystal
Father's Surname:
Strausberg
88. From 1920 Census - Phillip was 22 on Jan 1 1920, Dora was 24, and Sylvia was 1 1/2 or possibly 1 year and 1 month. Dora immigrated in 1905 (age 10???). 1920 census indicate Phillip was born in Russia although mom and dad always thought it was Argentina.
89. “California Death Index.”
ORTENBERG, DORA
Social Security #:
Sex: FEMALE
Birth Date: 15 Apr 1898
Birthplace: POLAND
Death Date: 16 Jun 1963
Death Place: LOS ANGELES
90. “Dora Ortenberg- in the California, U.S., Federal Naturalization Records, 1843-1999-.”
Dora Ortenberg
 in the California, U.S., Federal Naturalization Records, 1843-1999

Name:
Dora Ortenberg
[Dora Schneider] 
Petition Age:
59
Record Type:
Petition
Birth Date:
15 Apr 1898
Birth Place:
Lumzar, Poland
Arrival Date:
21 Jan 1914
Arrival Place:
New York, New York
Petition Date:
26 Jul 1957
Petition Place:
Los Angeles, California, USA
Spouse:
Philip Ortenberg
Petition Number:
201909
Files (2): Naturalization Dora Schneider Ortenberg, Naturalization Dora Schneider Ortenberg-p2
91. “1930 Federal Census,” 10 Mar 2006.
1930 Federal Census in Assembly District 18 on Grafton St in Brooklyn lived:
Phillip
: head age 29 and married at age 18. Born in Russia and immigrated 1914. He was a carpenter/
Dora
: Age 30 married 1t age 19. Born in Russia. Immigrated 1912.
Sylvia: age 11 born NY
Joseph
: age 8 born in NY
Ada
: age 4 years 6 months Born in NY
92. Dwojre Schnider immigrated alone at age 16 om Sept 26, 1910 at NY from Antwerp. She was from Lomza where her mother Itcha Schnider lived. She was going to live with her brother Haim.
93. WWI Draft Registration Record:
Phillip Ortenberg married to Dora born 17 Dec 1896 in Odessa Russia.
Birth records never aaqgree for him.
94. “Petition for Naturalization.”
Declaration of Intention No. 209923 19 Oct 1926
Philip Ortenberg
2166 Atlantic Ave Brooklyn
A Carpenter
Born 25 Dec 1897 in Odessa Russia
He immigrated to the United States from Buenos Aires, Argentina on or about the 5 Aug 1916 and Arrived in the US in New York on 21 Aug 1916 on the vessel Vasari.
Wife’s name is Dora born 1897
3 children Celia born Dec 8, 1918 New York
Joseph June 12, 1921 New York
Eda Aug 1, 1925 in Brooklyn
Renounces allegiance to The Present Government of Russia
95. Philip Ortenberg’s WWI Draft registrationgives his birthday as 17 Dec 1896 in Odessa Russia
He worked at Rosenwasser Bros in Long Island City, NY. Wife was Dora
96. “Social Security Death Insex.”
Name: Philip Ortenberg
SSN: 064-05-0185
Last Residence: 91401 Van Nuys, Los Angeles, California, United States of America
Born: 25 Jan 1898
Died: Oct 1967
State (Year) SSN issued: New York (Before 1951 )

Also Caligornia Death index:
ORTENBERG, PHILIP
Social Security #: 64050185
Sex: MALE
Birth Date: 25 Jan 1898
Birthplace: USSR
Death Date: 25 Oct 1967
Death Place: LOS ANGELES
97. “Certificate and Record of Marriage,” 26 Nov 1917.
Certificate no. 15433
Received fromMunicipal Archives 31 Chambers St
NY, NY by PAD on Jan 5, 2013
Philip Ortenberg ---and---- Dora Schneider
25 Forsyth St ---- ------ 42 Forsyth St
Age 21 -------- --- Age 22
White -------------- White
Single --------------- Single
Occupation: Carpenter
Born: Russia --------- Born: Russia
Father: Nissen ------- Father: Joseph
Mother: Mollie ------- Mother: Ida
Marriage: Fisrt ------- Marriage: First

They were married in the Municipal Building in Manhatten
The two witnesses were Ida Schneider (Dora’s mother)
and S
S. C. Wasserman
The ceremony was performed by the Deputy Vity Clerk (name unreadable) at 137 East 36th St.
98. REIPP (JRIP) lists the birth of a Estera Rywka Sznajder to father Joszk in 1888 akt 360.
In Dec 2004 I received the brth certifciate for her and had the Russian script translated via View Mate.
“birth of Estera Rywka SZNAJDER of Lomza daughter of Joszk Gerszkowicz age 44 and Ita Ickowna Bendetowna LEWIT age 36 , June 30, 1888”- from D Price (dprice@sympatico.ca)
... and from MBRichman@aol.com....
“I'm not that proficient at reading Russian, but here is what I could make out (using Polish spellings - so, for example, "sz" = "sh"):

Father - Joszk Gerszkowicz Sznajder, age 44
Mother - Itka Ickowna Bendetowna Lewita, age 36
(i.e., Itka, daughter of Itzk Bendet Levita)
Child - Estra Rywka, born in Lomza 4/16 November 1888“

Dear Pete,

The two dates refer to the Julian/Gregorian calendar dates. Poland, being a Catholic country, had originally used the Gregorian calendar since it was created in the 1500s. After Russia took over Poland, they forced them to revert back to the Julian calendar (the calendar of the Orthodox Church).

The problem with the Julian calendar was that it was falling behind the actual rotation, and Easter (the new moon) kept being delayed. The fundamental difference between the J & G calendar is that the years 1700, 1800, 1900, 2100 are not leap years (because they are divisible by 400, and that became a rule not to make them leap years). But since they are divisible by 4, the Julian calendar still makes them a leap year.

So, in the 1800's, the Julian calendar was off by 12 days. By 1900, it was off by 13 days. By 2100, it'll be off by 14 days. You see the pattern.

And as for Moel, I wish I could tell you. My guess is that it is his last name, but not understanding the words around his name poses a problem figuring out who he is. But you could be right... I've just never heard of a Moel at a girl's naming.

And yes, a very pleasant and happy new year to you!

All the best,

Larry Brikman
----- Original Message -----
From: PeteDr@aol.com
To: lbb107@rogers.com
Cc: jsgran@erols.com
Sent: Saturday, January 01, 2005 2:33 AM
Subject: Re: View Mate Question

Dear Larry,
Many thanks again. I know reading a 100+ year old document even in English is hard for me so in Cyrillic script it must be near impossible. You're right, David Price was the first translator.
BTW, what do you think it means when it says, " 4/16 of November" and "1/13 of June" - or does the dash (/) mean that the writing is unclear- either the first of the thirteenth? Also do you know why are there two dates? Could the second date be the naming?? Could 'Moel' have been this Haim's title??
Many thanks again. Wishing you a peaceful, safe and happy new year.

Pete Dreifuss
Burtonsville, MD


In a message dated 12/31/04 8:52:34 PM, lbb107@rogers.com writes:



Dear Pete,



Sorry for the delay, I haven't been home much lately.



Of course I'd love to help.



This one was a lot trickier than the last, the handwriting was a lot more squashed. It's a good thing that you sent me the other two translations, so that I could root myself.



Unfortunately, I couldn't go into much depth with it this time because of the handwriting, but I can definitely confirm things for you.



This is how it reads so far:



Line 1: … in the city of Lomza 1st/13th of June
Line 2: 1888 at 10 o’clock a.m. ...
Line 3:
Line 4: Abram Wolf Meirewicz Brzhenskij [?]: Josek Ger-
Line 5: shkowicz Shnajder 44 years old...
Line 6:
Line 7:
Line 8: Haim Leyb Moel...
Line 9:
Line 10: in the city of Lomza, 4/16 of November
Line 11: … year at 9 o’clock in the morning
Line 12: Itke Ickowna Bendetowna nee Lewita
Line 13: 36 years old...
Line 14: … Estra Rywka ...
Line 15:
Line 16: ... Abram Wolf Meirewicz Brzhenskij [?]

Signature at the bottom in English: Haim Leyb Moel

Talk to the 1st translator, he/she obivously knew what they were talking about.

As for the dates, I can't figure out which date refers to what. Maybe you can show my deciphering and ask the translator what words precedes or come after the dates.

And for Lewita, you are correct. The surname is Lewit, but for females it would be Lewita, since in Russian there was never a Mr. or Mrs. title (until recently when it was created). So the father's name would be Izke Bendet Lewit.

I wish I could have given you more, but I'm limited with the handwriting. By any chance, was one of your translators David Price from Toronto? I know him personally and he's always been good with Cyrillic handwritting.

In the meantime, I'll speak to you next year. Have a safe and happy new year.
All the best,

Larry Brikman


----- Original Message -----

From: PeteDr@aol.com

To: lbb107@rogers.com

Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2004 9:51 PM

Subject: View Mate Question

Dear Larry,

Again I want to thank you very much for the information on my Wasserman Marriage record from Zwolen. But I wonder if you could glance at one more posting I added to View Mate? You can go directly to it at:
http://data.jewishgen.org/ViewMate/ALL/viewmateview.asp?key=5271
I have two conflicting responses and no one offered the depth of information you had earlier on the Zwolen marriage certificate:
Here are the two responses:
(1)
Father - Joszk Gerszkowicz Sznajder, age 44
Mother - Itka Ickowna Bendetowna Lewita, age 36
(i.e., Itka, daughter of Itzk Bendet Levita)
Child - Estra Rywka, born in Lomza 4/16 November 1888
and (2)
birth of Estera Rywka SZNAJDER of Lomza daughter of Joszk Gerszkowicz age 44 and Ita Ickowna Bendetowna LEWIT age 36 , June 30, 1888

There seems to be some confusion in the two responses as to the date(s). Any ideas?
Is there anything more in the document than that?
I have seen the name of her mother before as Lewita? Is there any significance to the 'a' at the end or is this grammar? In other words, Is this the same as Lewit (Levit)?
If the document is gone I can attach an image to an email.
Whatever you can help with I'd appreciate.
Thanks again,
Pete Dreifuss
Files (2): EsteraRywkabirth, EsteraRywkabirthLomza
99. E mail from Cindi on 2 Sept 2000

Peter and Jeffrey-
I spoke to my mother, and she said that her and my father would be able to come up her on Sunday the 17th to visit if you all are going to be around. I don't remember if they are busy the next weekend or not-Sept 23 and 24. Ivan and I will have a soccer game sometime on Saturday the 23rd and have theater tickets at 7Pm on sunday. Let me know how those dates look to you. Also, I can not find what I did with the address for your web site-can you send it to me again? I have some more information for you-some things to add/fix on the document you sent to harriet and to Ira (I'm not sure if this was from your web site or from a Pc document) It is a numbered list of family members from the Schneider family beginning with Wolf Sznejder as First generatin, Number 1.

#11 Estera died 6/26/63 in Brooklyn NY
her husband Isaac was from Lomza-they were married in Lomza. they had plans to go to america, and he left for Great Britian to make arrangements. esther was pregnant with Ceila, and was planning on joining him in Great Britian once she gave birth. WWI broke out, and she was unable to get to Great Britian, so he left without her for America. when the Germans came into Poland they said that people with relatives already living in America could leave for America to join their relatives, so Esther and ceila were able to go to Great Britian. they waited there for 3 years until they were able to get passage on the ship The New Amsterdam. they traveled in 2nd class as opposed to steerage, and this enabled them to survive the voyange. Isaac finaly saw his daughter when she was 3 years old. the rest of their children were born in NY-they lived in an apartment on the lower east side of Manhattan, and then moved to Coney Island. Issac worked sewing woman's coats in the garmet district and he also owned lockers and a lunchenett on the boardwalk with his sister Jennie and her husband Mike and with his daughter Celia and her husband Leo Abelsonand . He died on 12/18/70 at the age of 70 in Brooklyn, NY
.
#24 julia Schneider-is still alive and living in florida near my Aunt Nessie. nessie has her phone number, so I can contact julia and get more information about her decendants and anything she might know or remember about our family

#27 celia Greenberg- born in Lomza 5/2/13 and died in Brooklyn 4/18/72. her husband Leo's Hebrew name is Avrahm

#28 Ida greenberg (my grandmother) had 2 children not 3. Their names are Steven Wayne Spivack born 6/1/55 and Jane Norma Spivack born 11/7/48. Ida married Alexander Spivack on 4/26/41. this was when they had their Jewish ceremoney. They had a civil cermoney almost a year before this-I don't remember why but I think it had something to do with my grandfather's military duty. My grandfather was a postal carrier and had a number of other side jobs as well.

# 29 Nessie Greenberg bot maried in Brooklyn Ny. Henry Newman's parents were Clara and Louis Newman. Their son Ira was born on 3/20/46 at George Washington hospital in DC and Harriet was born 3/20/48 at Garfield Memorial Hospital in Washington DC. Nessie's second marriage took place in Silver Spring , MD

#38 Steven Wayne Spivack had two children Pamela Lynn spivack born in NY, NY on 2/28/81 and Harris Foster born in el Paso Texas on 12/12/82

#39 Jane norma Spivack (my mother) married my father Barry Michael Wallack on 6/22/68. My father's parents were Gussie and Morris Wallack. My middle name is Elise and I was born 5/30/73 in Fredricksburn, Va and my brother's middle name is Evan. He was born 3/8/76 in fairfax, Va.

#58 Pamela Lynn Spivack

# 59 Harris foster Spivack

#60 my Bat mitzvah was 5/24/86. My hebrew name is Esther Zelda. I am an elementary school teacher. My hasband Ivan's middle name is Akira. we were married on 8/10/96 in Reston, Va and his parents names are Charles Richard Croft, III and Verna Natsue Iwasaki. his birthday is 11/3/72 and he is a school psychologist.

#61 My brother's name is spelled Cory (without an E) and his middle name is Evan. His bar mitzvah was 3/4/89.



I probobly have more information on our family tree software program, but this was info that went along with what you already had on your file. I am also attaching a picture of Ivan and myself-we have been sending pictures of older family members, but I thought you might want to see what we looked like! We are on the left side of the picture-with the black dress and blue shirt Take care, cindi
100. “April 14 1930 Census,” Brooklyn, Coney Island NY, April 14 1930, 19 Dec 2005.
Isaac Greenberg, Head 38, 20 when married, born in Poland, an operator in a Neck Wear factory, Imm. 1913
Esther Wife 38, 20 when married, born in Poland, Im. 1916
Calia daughter 16, Born in Poland, Im. 1916
Ida daughter 12, born in NY
Nessie daughter 8, born in NY
Edith daughter 3years 6 months, born in NY
Lived on Warehouse Avenue
1-50, 51-100, 101-150, 151-200, 201-250, 251-300, 301-350, 351-400, 401-450, 451-500, 501-550, 551-600, 601-650, 651-700, 701-750, 751-800, 801-850, 851-900, 901-950, 951-1000, 1001-1050, 1051-1100, 1101-1150, 1151-1176